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Klonan wrote:

agmike wrote:I don't understand. Fluid wagon's mass is 2 times higher than normal wagon, and it already transports less fluid than wagon with barrells. Why reduce it's capactiy?

It is 3x heavier than the cargo wagon, so we would definitely reduce the weight to compensate for reduced capacity

zombieroboninja wrote:Please make sideloading fully compress as before.

rldml wrote:Don't use trains if you don't want to - you can use pipes, pumps, storage tanks and circuit logics instead of trains to transport fluids.

Of course it would be a pain in the ass. But same goes to transport great amounts of other ressources with belts...

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stretch611 wrote:I use barrels for a reason in vanilla game... I use them to jump start coal liquefaction.

When I create an outpost in vanilla, I prefer to create fuel for my trains locally if possible. Oil is generally not as common as Coal, and I can use coal liquefaction and convert/process the results to rocket fuel. It is much easier to just bring two barrels of heavy oil with me to jump start the process than it is to actually bring a fluid train.

stretch611 wrote:I agree that fluid wagons should stay in the vanilla game, but so should barrels. Both have their uses. I personally do not see the need to nerf the capacity of fluid wagons, but I will be accepting of it, if needed. However, I do think that barrel capacity or barrel stack size be changed appropriately to make fluid wagons more efficient. As heavy as train cars are, the product they ship is the big factor in weight as well. (I expect even heavily armored train cars in factorio to have more mass in the shipped product than the mass of the train wagon.) It boggles the mind to have more liquid be shipped in barrels, as well as be lighter, then possible with a more efficient fluid wagon.

In regards to changing from 3 separate tanks in a wagon to a single large tank in the wagon. If this is due to the interface issues only, perhaps I have an alternate solution... Allow for two different types of fluid wagons to be built. One that is permanently set to 3 separate tanks, and one that is set permanently to a single tank. Let people assemble the one they want to use in each particular situation.

bobingabout wrote:wait, you said the fluid wagon has too much capacity?

if you actually compare it to storing barrels in a cargo wagon, the fluid wagon is too small! you can transport more fluid in the cargo wagon.

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Avezo wrote:I think people undersetimate ANNOYANCE costs while talking barrels vs tank wagon.

Meddleman wrote:And while it flies in the face of euclidean-space logic, the player can carry even more barrels than a train can, and with the right modular-armor inserts, can travel nearly as fast as a train. If the devs are to nerf anything because of releastic space constraints, then all the item stack sizes in the game must be looked at, because why does the ability to carry 2.000+ factories around in your pocket make any sense?

bobingabout wrote:wait, you said the fluid wagon has too much capacity?

if you actually compare it to storing barrels in a cargo wagon, the fluid wagon is too small! you can transport more fluid in the cargo wagon.

irbork wrote:

bobingabout wrote:wait, you said the fluid wagon has too much capacity?

if you actually compare it to storing barrels in a cargo wagon, the fluid wagon is too small! you can transport more fluid in the cargo wagon.

But the oil in barrels is pressurized inside of a barrel by assembler. That's why it takes less space.