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Cobaltur wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 08, 2024 9:43 am

I don't like to have a mass production which results only building more and more big buffers.
The spoilage enforces you to have more just-in-time production lines, to scale complete procuction lines and to tune the logistics. Excellent - just my opinion.

Cobaltur wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 08, 2024 9:43 am

But how does "white-line" works for stacks one the belt? see https://www.factorio.com/blog/post/fff-393

Knuth wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:42 pm

Yes, I wondered what about stacks on the belt, the FFF414 doesn't talk about it.
I hope this stacks on the belt will not be abandoned.

Blitz4 wrote: I like the new spoilage idea. So many that play Factorio have an engineering background and this fits nicely with a new mini-game to accomplish and also follows great game design to slowly add new mechanics as you progress.

There is one aspect of creating challenge that I believe any new mechanic should satisfy

1. Challenging for the pros
2. Fun for the casuals

I have to imagine there's been extensive play testing done by casuals to determine if it's fun. The issue is likely communicating that in a blog post. You can tell a lot of work went into this system, it's highly unlikely that it was lazily added without any testing.

It seems more evidence of how the mechanic functions is needed. To me showing the entire process start to finish of using these new science packs in video form is likely the best way to put people's mind at ease. Alternatively, releasing the DLC in Early Access is another idea.

cfteague2 wrote:Your stuff doesnt vanish in games.

It does in The Long Dark.

You have to keep raw or cooked meat outside in the frozen tempature to prevent spoilage as there is no electricity to power the freezers. Over time that frozen meat does decay. How that game handle it is you have a system that adds 50% to the cooked item. To me this is the biggest issue people are afraid of:

The reason why you're optimizing for a better product is because recipe results inherit their freshness from the ingredients. This means that when you craft a product out of a 30% spoiled ingredient, the product will also be 30% spoiled.

If you look at The Long Dark, that last line would say "the product will also be 0% spoiled." (30%-50% = -20% rounded up to 0% spoilage). And it's important you don't eat items too spoiled or you will be sick.

Granted 50% in The Long Dark is too much to be realistic.
Also 0% in Factorio is too little to be realistic.

But is it realism or fun or a challenge that they're after?

EDIT: My understanding of their vocabulary. They are weirdly focused on spoilage when the game should be focused on Freshness. In The Long Dark it doesn't say 30% spoiled (70% fresh). No it moves past that and calls it 70% condition. If you cook a thing between 50%-100% condition it bumps to 100% condition then begins to degrade as well.

Cobaltur wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 08, 2024 9:43 am

But how does "white-line" works for stacks one the belt? see https://www.factorio.com/blog/post/fff-393