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enterisys wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:11 pm

Still you're a better expert on Ukraine so please go ahead.

Get out of there, brother. nato gives guns you to fight russia. nato's dream: you fight with their guns, and they not figtht and die themselves.

dimmy wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:14 pm

enterisys wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:11 pm

Still you're a better expert on Ukraine so please go ahead.

Get out of there, brother. West gives guns you to fight russia. West's dream: you fight with they guns, and they not figtht and die themselves.

Guns? Yeah thnx but its Ukrainian tanks/APCs/artillery/AKs/RPGs/jets that will win this war.

dimmy wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:14 pm

enterisys wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:11 pm

Still you're a better expert on Ukraine so please go ahead.

Get out of there, brother. West gives guns you to fight russia. West's dream: you fight with they guns, and they not figtht and die themselves.

Aren't the guns poured into Ukraine after the 2014 seizure of Crimea ? after which a second conflict seemed inevitable which further increased the militarization ?

enterisys wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:17 pm

hnx but its Ukrainian tanks/APCs/artillery/AKs/RPGs/jets that will win this war.

british prime minister: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZKrT4k7MMk
they gave you a lot of rockets, weapons, etc. maybe you didnt know
and not only they

Djmixxx wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:07 pm

I buried the meaning too deeply: how much a country can be considered its own and free if you don’t own anything in it and there are no rights.

Then just let me rephrase my original statement: highly democratic compared to Russia. There are always more and less democratic nations, Ukraine itself would very likely not rank that high among other democratic nations either. But just because not every country is like Norway doesn't mean there are no other democracies.
If a lack of foreign investment would be an indicator though, Russia should be on a very good path now. After all, there's a good reason why North Korea with its almost complete absence of foreign investment is generally regarded as the most democratic country there is.

The European Union has already allocated 1 billion euros to Ukraine for the purchase of weapons from the European Peace Fund.

Great example help. While civilians are collecting humanitarian aid, the authorities are helping Ukraine by sponsoring armed firms in their countries.

Djmixxx wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:20 pm

The European Union has already allocated 1 billion euros to Ukraine for the purchase of weapons from the European Peace Fund.

Great example help. While civilians are collecting humanitarian aid, the authorities are helping Ukraine by sponsoring armed firms in their countries.

Letters. You need some facts. Otherwise it's just letters without proof.

dimmy wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:19 pm

enterisys wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:17 pm

hnx but its Ukrainian tanks/APCs/artillery/AKs/RPGs/jets that will win this war.

british prime minister: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZKrT4k7MMk
they gave you a lot of rockets, weapons, etc. maybe you didnt know
and not only they

Did I deny that developed democratic countries helped with arms? No.
After USSR disband Ukraine had biggest land army in the world, it is sad that Ukraine had only 8 years to restore part of it (like 30%).
You cant win elimination war with just small arms/hand-held ATs and AAs.

makrom wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:20 pm

If a lack of foreign investment would be an indicator though, Russia should be on a very good path now. After all, there's a good reason why North Korea with its almost complete absence of foreign investment is generally regarded as the most democratic country there is.

I don't share your sarcasm. Because of the USSR, NATO was created. It is foolish to underestimate such an enemy and put him on the same level as North Korea.

dimmy wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:22 pm

Letters. You need some facts. Otherwise it's just letters without proof.

Exactly like the first post you did on this topic and edited afterward.

It's the second time you avoid question are you not interested into the discussion ?

You claim weapon where given to ukraine, i asked you if it was after the seizure of crimea by the russian federation and you posted a video youtube that doesn't adress the question.

Djmixxx wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:24 pm

makrom wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:20 pm

If a lack of foreign investment would be an indicator though, Russia should be on a very good path now. After all, there's a good reason why North Korea with its almost complete absence of foreign investment is generally regarded as the most democratic country there is.

I don't share your sarcasm. Because of the USSR, NATO was created. It is foolish to underestimate such an enemy and put him on the same level as North Korea.

It's just that you don't put your money in a country where the authorities are erratic violent and threatening, where the law don't apply to you because everyone is corrupt

dimmy wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:19 pm

british prime minister: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZKrT4k7MMk

You can't honestly believe that's the British PM...

Djmixxx wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:24 pm

makrom wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:20 pm

If a lack of foreign investment would be an indicator though, Russia should be on a very good path now. After all, there's a good reason why North Korea with its almost complete absence of foreign investment is generally regarded as the most democratic country there is.

I don't share your sarcasm. Because of the USSR, NATO was created. It is foolish to underestimate such an enemy and put him on the same level as North Korea.

I'm not even going to pretend to understand how this is supposed to be related.

dimmy wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:22 pm

Djmixxx wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:20 pm

The European Union has already allocated 1 billion euros to Ukraine for the purchase of weapons from the European Peace Fund.

Great example help. While civilians are collecting humanitarian aid, the authorities are helping Ukraine by sponsoring armed firms in their countries.

Letters. You need some facts. Otherwise it's just letters without proof.

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-ukra ... itary-aid/
February 27, 2022
https://www.macaubusiness.com/portugal- ... ilitary-2/
March 23, 2022

I wonder who will give this money back.

Djmixxx wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:31 pm

dimmy wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:22 pm

Djmixxx wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:20 pm

The European Union has already allocated 1 billion euros to Ukraine for the purchase of weapons from the European Peace Fund.

Great example help. While civilians are collecting humanitarian aid, the authorities are helping Ukraine by sponsoring armed firms in their countries.

Letters. You need some facts. Otherwise it's just letters without proof.

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-ukra ... itary-aid/
February 27, 2022
https://www.macaubusiness.com/portugal- ... ilitary-2/
March 23, 2022

I wonder who will give this money back.

You should read the article it's not talking about a lend it seem like there is no need to give the money back

Djmixxx wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:20 pm

The European Union has already allocated 1 billion euros to Ukraine for the purchase of weapons from the European Peace Fund.

Great example help. While civilians are collecting humanitarian aid, the authorities are helping Ukraine by sponsoring armed firms in their countries.

For balance, can you complain a bit about how the US helped USSR with weapons when it got invaded by fascists?
or was that acceptable to you?

enterisys wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:24 pm

Did I deny that developed democratic countries helped with arms? No.
After USSR disband Ukraine had biggest land army in the world, it is sad that Ukraine had only 8 years to restore part of it (like 30%).
You cant win elimination war with just small arms/hand-held ATs and AAs.

Didn't the level of corruption almost like in Russia help here?

Djmixxx wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:38 pm

enterisys wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:24 pm

Did I deny that developed democratic countries helped with arms? No.
After USSR disband Ukraine had biggest land army in the world, it is sad that Ukraine had only 8 years to restore part of it (like 30%).
You cant win elimination war with just small arms/hand-held ATs and AAs.

Didn't the level of corruption almost like in Russia help here?

Did you picked up a quote quite old to avoid answering question that would reveal your dishonnesty ? like you usually do ?

You always keep interpreting history when it suits you, but when one ask you a question on it that isn't directly part of your narrative, you are either ignorant or avoiding it

Anyone briefed you on specific topic ?

Djmixxx wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:31 pm

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-ukra ... itary-aid/
February 27, 2022
https://www.macaubusiness.com/portugal- ... ilitary-2/
March 23, 2022

I wonder who will give this money back.

Never heard Ukraine defaulting, russia on other side is in pretty interesting spot