It doesn't matter how many times it's already been said. If you also agree/disagree, then you should (be allowed) to voice your opinion on it. If you have a question about something, absolutely agree they should read through some of it first. But if it's simply a statement of agree/disagree, maybe throwing in their 2 cents of an alternative, then that's perfectly fine and they shouldn't be expected to read through it and silence themselves if it's already been mentioned several times.Qon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 5:48 pmAre you missing the point on purpose?FuryoftheStars wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 3:17 pmSooo... we should have one person that posts in favor of the system and one that posts against and just leave it at that? That doesn't seem helpful. I mean, there's no poll or anything, so even if several people share the same exact view, how else do you measure the quantity of likes vs dislikes? I can also understand not wanting to read through several pages to see if someone else posted the exact same thing that you're thinking.Qon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:51 amIt was a waste of time (for improving the system), because:
- The 35-page discussion was very low quality, mostly talking about unimportant things like the name and useless critique based on misunderstanding of the quality system. And it was mostly redundant. It wasn't really 35 pages of discussion, it was 35 pages of the same post redundantly posted in copies over and over from people who hadn't even read the thread (or blog post properly) to see that their view had already been shared by others.
Yes not everyone reads all 35 pages before making their post. But you don't have to be that extreme to see that naming is commonly talked about.
Also you don't have to be that extreme about limiting the copies to one single time. You are just exaggerating because you have no argument.
Just read a few posts or pages, if something trivial has been talked about 7 times already then consider if you adding an 8th post on it really adds much value to the discussion or not.
Whatever arbitrary number you want to pick for the point where people shouldn't post any further (1, 7, or 100) simply cuts off further discussion/expressing of opinion and thus is not helpful to gauge how much something is actually liked or disliked.
And yet they can still get it wrong and the fact that we have 35 pages of discussion, regardless of "quality", should be an indicator to review to be sure. And there have been changes they've made to the game before that they thought would be good but due to subsequent discussions they reverted or changed further. So this "point" you were trying to make about how the discussions were a waste of time "because the devs know what they're doing better than the players" is invalid.Qon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 5:48 pmI'm not saying that everything they do is perfect, I'm not saying being better at games design always makes you get the 100% superior design idea every single time. I'm just saying that they are better at it (overall) and have actually tested it and also understand the system so 35 pages of mostly low quality posts don't indicate that Wube should change anything. The argument made by coppercoil was that the quantity of pages of responses should change Wube's opinion on their design.FuryoftheStars wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 3:17 pmThis isn't a valid point. Not an attack on Wube, this is just a generalized statement, but the ability to program (and do it well) or lack there of has no correlation to the ability to have a good idea or not.