Friday Facts #171 - So long 2016

[Mangledpork]

Glad I could be of service!

[Mendel]

So... *that* is how G2A and such services work then. I have bought some games from there though not factorio. I think I´ll stay away from there for now

[ske]

I have two wishes for the graphs:

1. An option for stacking the curves.
2. Linlog-Scaling of the time axis.

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1
* Especially for electricity graphs, it would be nice to have the production/consumption values stacked since they actually do stack up.
* Similar for some production statistics like copper/iron plates.

2
* You can effectively display a weeks production and still see the last five minutes.
* By logarithmically pruning the old values and using statistics like the mean, min, max, median, or percentiles, the data can be displayed appropriately.

[RobertTerwilliger]

Probaby it should be kills per hour, rather than per minute, because of
a) small numbers per minute
b) combats should be constant to make sense in calculation in this scale
However, scale could be changed simultaneously with time scale switching.

[MiloRK]

Happy New Year! Factorio is a gift that keeps on giving. I've bought it 4 or 5 times for friends over the years

I'm guessing this is the new logistic bot graphic? Looks more differentiated from the construction bot now, which is nice:

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Can't wait for .15 in 2017!

[MimigaKing]

Please add Fluid Prod/usage Statistics page. Please lol. It can't be that hard.

It's already in 0.15. I added it when I added the kills screen.

Will there be a ore mined statistic page as well?

[Smarty]

Happy New Year! Factorio is a gift that keeps on giving. I've bought it 4 or 5 times for friends over the years

I'm guessing this is the new logistic bot graphic? Looks more differentiated from the construction bot now, which is nice:

New_Logistic_Bots.png

Can't wait for .15 in 2017!

That is the icon for destroyer bots

[MiloRK]

Happy New Year! Factorio is a gift that keeps on giving. I've bought it 4 or 5 times for friends over the years

I'm guessing this is the new logistic bot graphic? Looks more differentiated from the construction bot now, which is nice:

New_Logistic_Bots.png

Can't wait for .15 in 2017!

That is the icon for destroyer bots

Oh...yes...well, don't mind me lol

[Isaac1251]

I wish there would be special button for electric poles that'd put them on the ground to provide continous line of power. Mean like when im running in straight line of my turrets i'd like to just hold one button and have straight line of poles being created as im running forward with no powerless tiles between them (as it happens now with furthest space between them on LMB) Please?

[Vxsote]

The author of Rimworld (another indie game) had fraud issues with steam keys also, and talked briefly about his solution in a blog post: https://ludeon.com/blog/2016/09/new-ste ... ore-today/. If you have any problems in the future, some collaboration might be helpful (if you haven't already explored that).

[m3henry]

I'm surprised there's not graphs for the amount of items in a logistics network, a circuit network, or stored in accumulators.

[hitzu]

Few requests for the kill statistic screen:

- Why different kind of trees are separated? They're all trees after all.
- Adding ammo spent (including laser shots) in the right window would be a nice feature to undertand the effectiveness of combat.

[Rseding91]

Few requests for the kill statistic screen:

- Why different kind of trees are separated? They're all trees after all.
- Adding ammo spent (including laser shots) in the right window would be a nice feature to undertand the effectiveness of combat.

Because that's how the stats works in the game. It tracks by entity prototype ID when an entity is killed. It's the same reason you see each assembling machine in the power usage stats instead of just "assembling machines" - they're all unique. You can't say "They're all assembling machines after all"

That's also why your 2nd request can't work since items aren't entities and they don't ever "die".

[hitzu]

Few requests for the kill statistic screen:

- Why different kind of trees are separated? They're all trees after all.
- Adding ammo spent (including laser shots) in the right window would be a nice feature to undertand the effectiveness of combat.

Because that's how the stats works in the game. It tracks by entity prototype ID when an entity is killed. It's the same reason you see each assembling machine in the power usage stats instead of just "assembling machines" - they're all unique. You can't say "They're all assembling machines after all"

That's also why your 2nd request can't work since items aren't entities and they don't ever "die".

I'm not talking about internal structure, it's all about UX
For the player it doesn't matter what kind of tree was killed. At the same time it doesn't matter how many bugs were killed, but the effectiveness.

[hoho]

For the player it doesn't matter what kind of tree was killed. At the same time it doesn't matter how many bugs were killed, but the effectiveness.

Problems start when players start adding custom entities. How would those be grouped?

[RobertTerwilliger]

For the player it doesn't matter what kind of tree was killed. At the same time it doesn't matter how many bugs were killed, but the effectiveness.

Problems start when players start adding custom entities. How would those be grouped?

Game doesn't really OUGHT to group any other entities, and scoreboard may just add into single number all known trees before outputting.
However it won't be really a problem to give entities a tag kinda "scoreboard_group", that would be available for modders as well.
And that's scoreboard mechanics, that doesn't touch data gathering mechanics in any way)

About biters, I don't quite agree - their quantity represents player's combat activity during different game stages.

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- Adding ammo spent (including laser shots) in the right window would be a nice feature to undertand the effectiveness of combat.

... your 2nd request can't work since items aren't entities and they don't ever "die".

Another method of gathering another kind of data can be implemented - just saying

[Rseding91]

For the player it doesn't matter what kind of tree was killed. At the same time it doesn't matter how many bugs were killed, but the effectiveness.

Problems start when players start adding custom entities. How would those be grouped?

Game doesn't really OUGHT to group any other entities, and scoreboard may just add into single number all known trees before outputting.
However it won't be really a problem to give entities a tag kinda "scoreboard_group", that would be available for modders as well.
And that's scoreboard mechanics, that doesn't touch data gathering mechanics in any way)

About biters, I don't quite agree - their quantity represents player's combat activity during different game stages.

...
- Adding ammo spent (including laser shots) in the right window would be a nice feature to undertand the effectiveness of combat.

... your 2nd request can't work since items aren't entities and they don't ever "die".

Another method of gathering another kind of data can be implemented - just saying

The current statistics we track already take a measurable amount of CPU time. Adding more would slow the game to unacceptable levels for very little gains.

[RobertTerwilliger]

The current statistics we track already take a measurable amount of CPU time. Adding more would slow the game to unacceptable levels for very little gains.

Fair.

However all trees still can (and I believe should) be added togeter just before outputting into scoreboard, being single-time operation, not hitting performance in any feelable way ; )