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When will be map generation fixed? I have oil only in start location (and only a few). Tons of enemies everywhere. It's quite frustrating game now

Filias wrote:When will be map generation fixed? I have oil only in start location (and only a few). Tons of enemies everywhere. It's quite frustrating game now

Patience. They know it's an issue, but I am willing to be it's more complicated than alot of the game crashing fixes they've released. It'll be fixed when it's fixed. In the mean time you do have the option of using RSO to mostly mitigate the problems.

Filias wrote:When will be map generation fixed? I have oil only in start location (and only a few). Tons of enemies everywhere. It's quite frustrating game now

I've found that while there is normally only a little bit of oil near start and none more in sight, there are generally a few decent fields a little way out of starting sight radius. A couple of radars will uncover them so you know which way to start your rails. It seems to be all in their plan of getting people to work with trains and outposts more. Personally I quite like it....

I have found resource generation to be fine.

On the maps I've made since 13.0 (about half a dozen) I've had some of all the resources nearby and then with just a little exploration I can find more. I like having things a bit more spaced out. Trains are more useful and you have to play with the biters some.


If you don't want to have to explore bump up the resource amount when you make a world.

If you don't like dealing with biters turn them down.

While there may be tweaks with the map generation the devs feel needed it is not currently broken like some people are implying.

What I do to avoid the map generation crazyness is to use a seed (map generation algorithmn) from a 0.12 save. It gives you a decent starting area.

If you adjust the settings you will get a playable map.

If you don't have enough of a resource turn it up.

If you have too many biters turn them down.

I have been finding stone and oil to be an issue on low settings. But raising the frequency works.

RichyNZ wrote:I've found that while there is normally only a little bit of oil near start and none more in sight, there are generally a few decent fields a little way out of starting sight radius. A couple of radars will uncover them so you know which way to start your rails. It seems to be all in their plan of getting people to work with trains and outposts more. Personally I quite like it....

Thanks for an advice. I have finally found it. It' quite far away but we have nice trains now.

When will be map generation fixed? I have oil only in start location (and only a few). Tons of enemies everywhere. It's quite frustrating game now

I somehow managed to generate a map with acceptable results, cleaned it up a little and found much oil in it by exploring. I've made it so that theres a few resources in the starting area and Trains are needed to gather other resources later on, where you have to fight a little before you can obtain them. I dont know the seed or the map exchange string (dont know how to get both later on). I uploaded my cleaned version of the map here:

http://venion.net/files/tn005.rar

It has approximately 3x3 screens in max zoomed out state from the editor pre generated and cleaned of resources except in the starting area.

World gen works for me. Maybe the problem isn't that it is "not working" but that it "works different"?

I'm very happy with 0.13 branch. Thank You devs <3

SQLek wrote:World gen works for me. Maybe the problem isn't that it is "not working" but that it "works different"?

I'm very happy with 0.13 branch. Thank You devs <3

I can see why you might feel that way, except for those of us who play with water only in the starting area. That is completely broken.

Can someone enplane how to update a headless windows server with out having to download the new zip file every time?

jpwanabe wrote:Can someone enplane how to update a headless windows server with out having to download the new zip file every time?

I have not found a way to do this automatically. It would be very nice if we had a couple of command line options to do so. Maybe --update-version and --update-mods.

Lalkin wrote:I have found resource generation to be fine.

On the maps I've made since 13.0 (about half a dozen) I've had some of all the resources nearby and then with just a little exploration I can find more. I like having things a bit more spaced out. Trains are more useful and you have to play with the biters some.


If you don't want to have to explore bump up the resource amount when you make a world.

If you don't like dealing with biters turn them down.

While there may be tweaks with the map generation the devs feel needed it is not currently broken like some people are implying.

It is actually quite broken, see attachment and related threads:
viewtopic.php?f=47&t=27199
viewtopic.php?f=182&t=27521

That said, I understand there are more urgent bugs that will crash the game and that's fine, but I will not be playing Factorio until .13 Terrain Segmentation issues are resolved.

So the clear square you see in the middle of this attachment is where .12 map generation was used. The outer square with all the biters was generated with .13, hence the awful splotches of biome.

ausonny wrote: I can see why you might feel that way, except for those of us who play with water only in the starting area. That is completely broken.

I haven't tried "starting water only" yet in 13.x, however I have been playing with a Ringworld generated with 13.x. (All settings were default with the exception of height: 150.)

I'm not thrilled with that mess over there in the east (I daresay the water algorithm might benefit from additional tweaking), but maybe I can find enough stone patches to take good care of it.
The starting resources are reasonable. There does seem to be a bit less oil on normal settings than I'd like to see. That said, a challenge is good, and I'm assume that oil patch in the west is better than the one in the starting area.
It may be a very short experiment if I run into a flood in the west as well, but so be it. Overall I like the modifications to the terrain generator. I like being encouraged to run lines for resources. (Although I understand some don't particularly like that, so I'm quite happy with the multitude of generation options given.)

Tricorius wrote:

ausonny wrote: I can see why you might feel that way, except for those of us who play with water only in the starting area. That is completely broken.

I haven't tried "starting water only" yet in 13.x, however I have been playing with a Ringworld generated with 13.x. (All settings were default with the exception of height: 150.)

I'm not thrilled with that mess over there in the east (I daresay the water algorithm might benefit from additional tweaking), but maybe I can find enough stone patches to take good care of it.

Overview

The starting resources are reasonable. There does seem to be a bit less oil on normal settings than I'd like to see. That said, a challenge is good, and I'm assume that oil patch in the west is better than the one in the starting area.

Starting_Area

East

West

It may be a very short experiment if I run into a flood in the west as well, but so be it. Overall I like the modifications to the terrain generator. I like being encouraged to run lines for resources. (Although I understand some don't particularly like that, so I'm quite happy with the multitude of generation options given.)

Again, that may all be fine, I don't know. I play starting area only, and there is water everywhere, no matter how far you walk. It's broken, so I am unable to play in the way I like to play, so I'm waiting on the fix to play .13.

ausonny wrote:Again, that may all be fine, I don't know. I play starting area only, and there is water everywhere, no matter how far you walk. It's broken, so I am unable to play in the way I like to play, so I'm waiting on the fix to play .13.

I wasn't disagreeing. I'm reasonably certain the water algorithm could be tweaked. It feels very segmented. Except for when it splashes a gigantic lake through the entirety of your map (in fairness, though, I'm using settings that don't make much sense, but are fun to play, so I'm not complaining, per se).

SQLek wrote:World gen works for me. Maybe the problem isn't that it is "not working" but that it "works different"?

I'm very happy with 0.13 branch. Thank You devs <3

Me too, no issues whatsoever. Not with terrain generation or anything else, it's still fun and enjoyable, the new rail planner also makes it easier/faster to expand your rail network(s) and get resource from far away. But it's understandable that most people are afraid of and against changes in general.

I haven't tried the flame throwers yet because all I have is Lube. Isn't Lube just as flammable as the other fluids?

-Dead

p.s. the in game mod updates rocks

Jj250 wrote:

Lalkin wrote:I have found resource generation to be fine.

On the maps I've made since 13.0 (about half a dozen) I've had some of all the resources nearby and then with just a little exploration I can find more. I like having things a bit more spaced out. Trains are more useful and you have to play with the biters some.


If you don't want to have to explore bump up the resource amount when you make a world.

If you don't like dealing with biters turn them down.

While there may be tweaks with the map generation the devs feel needed it is not currently broken like some people are implying.

It is actually quite broken, see attachment and related threads:
viewtopic.php?f=47&t=27199
viewtopic.php?f=182&t=27521

That said, I understand there are more urgent bugs that will crash the game and that's fine, but I will not be playing Factorio until .13 Terrain Segmentation issues are resolved.

So the clear square you see in the middle of this attachment is where .12 map generation was used. The outer square with all the biters was generated with .13, hence the awful splotches of biome.

I don't think that it is "quite" broken. This picture shows it pretty well to me: The map in the middle (the .12 one) looks extremely boring and unrealistic to me, while the outer map (.13) looks much more realisitc, especially regarding the water generation. Therefore I do not think you should call this a "bug" or "broken", because it is obviously a matter of taste. Some members of the community like the change and some do not. It's not broken, it's a design decision that some people personally don't like.

That aside, if there is a decent chance that there are not all of the ressources in the starting area to get you a decent start - that is a bug.
What might also be a bug (or insufficiant tuning of the algorithm) is the fact that some of the terrain generation settings have a far too weak effects (if any?) on map generation.