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non-modular entities and modules
Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:44 am
by Honktown
I tried making a small mod for myself, to add modules to boilers (note: name = "boilers", not heat exchangers) so I could see the results. Would efficiency generate less power, or be more effective? etc...
Unfortunately after trying a bunch of different methods to add modules, permitted effects, etc to boilers, it just doesn't want to work (no module slots ever come up, and beacons can't effect it). I even tried adding a crafting group (smelting), but it refused to accept that either. I know certain things like radar can't be affected by modules, so I figured I'd ask if anyone else had an idea or came across non-modular buildings being affected by modules.
Re: non-modular entities and modules
Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:55 am
by Deadlock989
Any entity which doesn't have a
module_specification property won't support modules and will never receive module effects from beacons etc. This includes
boilers.
Re: non-modular entities and modules
Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:01 am
by Honktown
Deadlock989 wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:55 am
Any entity which doesn't have a
module_specification property won't support modules and will never receive module effects from beacons etc. This includes
boilers.
I tried those things. I tried all the things:
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module_inventory_size = 4,
module_specification = {
module_slots = 4,
max_entity_info_module_icons_per_row = 4,
max_entity_info_module_icon_rows = 1,
module_info_icon_shift = {0, 0.8}
},
allowed_effects = {"consumption", "speed", "productivity", "pollution"},
I even tried giving it an empty crafting_categories table. To make sure the mod was being read I change the hp - so I know the re-definition was loading. I stole max_entity_info bits from labs, since for whatever reason their module specification is different.
Re: non-modular entities and modules
Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:33 am
by Deadlock989
Honktown wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:01 am
I tried those things. I tried all the things:
You've misunderstood.
If the entity doesn't support a property then adding it to the prototype will achieve nothing.
Boilers just won't work with modules no matter what you do. That's the game engine.
If you can't see module_specification on the list of supported properties for a prototype -
for example - then that entity type can't support modules and nothing you fiddle with in Lua will ever change that.
Modules works in crafting machines (i.e. assemblers and furnaces), labs, drills, and from memory nothing else.
Re: non-modular entities and modules
Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:34 pm
by Honktown
Deadlock989 wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:33 am
Honktown wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:01 am
I tried those things. I tried all the things:
You've misunderstood.
If the entity doesn't support a property then adding it to the prototype will achieve nothing.
Boilers just won't work with modules no matter what you do. That's the game engine.
If you can't see module_specification on the list of supported properties for a prototype -
for example - then that entity type can't support modules and nothing you fiddle with in Lua will ever change that.
Modules works in crafting machines (i.e. assemblers and furnaces), labs, drills, and from memory nothing else.
That's what I figured, but I was hoping there wasn't such "safety" with it. Many other moddable games use an "if property exists, apply it" without checking the consequences. I wanted to see if increasing boiler power consumption/speed could increase power generation, or make free fuel with productivity, etc.
Re: non-modular entities and modules
Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:39 pm
by mat1k
You could search Modding interface requests section and see if it has been requested. If not you could ask and see if they will consider adding module support to boilers.
Re: non-modular entities and modules
Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:17 am
by darkfrei
Is it possible to make the boiler with the furnace prototype?
Re: non-modular entities and modules
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:43 pm
by Honktown
darkfrei wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:17 am
Is it possible to make the boiler with the furnace prototype?
There was another topic someone made - a request to change the unit conversion of water->steam, and I realized a half-solution: make an oil-jack like machine that takes water and produces steam, and is a burner. Anything with a fixed and hidden recipe would work technically, like the rocket silo.
I think if I wanted to make a modular boiler I would do that, and it would work as a normal machine would be expected to (using efficiency modules would be kinda fun). Part of the idea of this was seeing what would happen in the "boiler logic" if you did unintended things, but there could be use cases for having a boiler with a module slot. (speed for more power but worse fuel conversion, efficiency for fuel conservation and pollution though it'd be broken gameplay-wise).
Re: non-modular entities and modules
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:37 pm
by darkfrei
Honktown wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:43 pm
There was another topic someone made - a request to change the unit conversion of water->steam, and I realized a half-solution: make an oil-jack like machine that takes water and produces steam, and is a burner. Anything with a fixed and hidden recipe would work technically, like the rocket silo.
I saw you idea and I like it. The pumpjack is actually a mining drill, that can be placed on special ore - oil patches. So the mod is actually about geothermal energy: you must fine the hot point, place here the heating exchanger and put the water inside and steam as output. It can be also unlimited as oil.
Actually it's close to the
https://mods.factorio.com/mod/HydraulicPumpjacks
Re: non-modular entities and modules
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:52 pm
by BlueTemplar
Well, there's
https://mods.factorio.com/mod/Geothermal , but it uses an assembler for the conversion...
(A nice side-effect is that you can barrel the geothermal fluid, and it will still work fine when unbarelled... at 15°C?)