temperature of fluids

[nosports]

Hello,

how can i apply a temperature to a fluid ?

[bobingabout]

I don't understand the question.



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    default_temperature = 25,
    max_temperature = 100,
    gas_temperature = -100,

default is minimum, and starting temperature.
max is maximum
gas is the point when the graphic changes to show as a gas, rather than a fluid.

I believe recipe ingredients can specify min_temperature and max_temperature tags and and recipe results can specify temperature tag to set something other than default, but these last ones are off the top of my head.

EDIT:
minimum_temperature and maximum_temperature, damn, there's some inconsistency for you.

[nosports]

[quote="bobingabout"]I don't understand the question.
/quote]


I thought i was tooooo short

i dabbeling in modding and currently trying to build a Fusion reactor which use a salt as the first energy carrier (instead of steam)
That works fine, the salt is heated and is produced with the temperature with an 'high-temperature-exchanger'; basically a modified exchanger.

next step is a transfer of temperature/energy to steam for use in the turbine.
I am using a chemical-recipt which adds water to the salt and produce steam and 'cold' salt.
But both the steam and the cold-salt comes out with 15° ; for the salt it's ok, but for use in the turbine i need 500°C for the steam (as i mean)

Generally i though the steam is always heated, but i may think the temperature is not linked to the fluid, its linked to the Boiler/Heatexchanger ???

So the question is how do i add temperature to the output of the recipe/chemical-plant (or a modified chem-plant)

(is it posssible to make a heat-exchanger without the need of heatpipes; could be also a way, doesn't mind to make an additional exchanger)

I know there are some mods for fusion energy out there, but i want to learn this way

[bobingabout]

that's right, the temperature is bound only to that specific instance of the fluid, so when you run it through a recipe, it always comes out at the default temperature unless stated otherwise.

Heat exchanger is just a boiler, with the energy source type set to heat. you can change the type to burner to make it a boiler, or even to electric, and it should function the same way just off the different power source. And yes, this is per entity definition.

as for the temperature of the output, well, just add the temperature= tag on the output to hard set the temperature for that recipe. you can use a minimum_temperature on the input if you want too.

but there is no way to set an output temperature to match an input temperature.

[eradicator]

but there is no way to set an output temperature to match an input temperature.

Theoretically if it is a 1:1 recipe (one input, one output) you can generate a set of recipes that approximates this.

Recipe 1 : Input 11-20°C, Output 11°C
Recipe 2 : Input 21-30°C, Output 21°C
Recipe 3 : Input 31-40°C, Output 31°C
etc

@MODERATORS:
So when is someone finally going to move this to modding help :P?

[orzelek]

but there is no way to set an output temperature to match an input temperature.

Theoretically if it is a 1:1 recipe (one input, one output) you can generate a set of recipes that approximates this.

Recipe 1 : Input 11-20°C, Output 11°C
Recipe 2 : Input 21-30°C, Output 21°C
Recipe 3 : Input 31-40°C, Output 31°C
etc

@MODERATORS:
So when is someone finally going to move this to modding help ?

This would work if we could set maximum temperature for recipe - I'm not sure if thats avaialble. And it would be a lot of recipes.

[bobingabout]

but there is no way to set an output temperature to match an input temperature.

Theoretically if it is a 1:1 recipe (one input, one output) you can generate a set of recipes that approximates this.

Recipe 1 : Input 11-20°C, Output 11°C
Recipe 2 : Input 21-30°C, Output 21°C
Recipe 3 : Input 31-40°C, Output 31°C
etc

@MODERATORS:
So when is someone finally going to move this to modding help ?

This would work if we could set maximum temperature for recipe - I'm not sure if thats avaialble. And it would be a lot of recipes.

you can't say 11-20, and then 21-30, because what about 20.5°C? these values are stored as a float.
and yes, go back and look at what I said, there is a "minimum_temperature" and "maximum_temperature" tag read in by the game for a recipe ingredient. I looked it up in source, it's there.

[eradicator]

but there is no way to set an output temperature to match an input temperature.

Theoretically if it is a 1:1 recipe (one input, one output) you can generate a set of recipes that approximates this.

Recipe 1 : Input 11-20°C, Output 11°C
Recipe 2 : Input 21-30°C, Output 21°C
Recipe 3 : Input 31-40°C, Output 31°C
etc

@MODERATORS:
So when is someone finally going to move this to modding help :P?

This would work if we could set maximum temperature for recipe - I'm not sure if thats avaialble. And it would be a lot of recipes.

you can't say 11-20, and then 21-30, because what about 20.5°C? these values are stored as a float.
and yes, go back and look at what I said, there is a "minimum_temperature" and "maximum_temperature" tag read in by the game for a recipe ingredient. I looked it up in source, it's there.

What about setting the threshold as close as you can get? i.e. maximum=20.99999999999999999999999999999, as long as you use the maximum precision available shouldn't it work?

[nosports]

that's right, the temperature is bound only to that specific instance of the fluid, so when you run it through a recipe, it always comes out at the default temperature unless stated otherwise.

Heat exchanger is just a boiler, with the energy source type set to heat. you can change the type to burner to make it a boiler, or even to electric, and it should function the same way just off the different power source. And yes, this is per entity definition.

as for the temperature of the output, well, just add the temperature= tag on the output to hard set the temperature for that recipe. you can use a minimum_temperature on the input if you want too.

but there is no way to set an output temperature to match an input temperature.

yes it worked
but i can only add 200 ° - if i type in more FACTORIO throws an error

on the side note : do the exchanger work with the energy (regardless of the fluids) or will it take the energy and put out only if the output fluid is loaden enough from the energy input ?
I don't mind to say the heatexchanger will include a small electric engine to carry on the materials thouse just 10 kW electric energy usage...

[bobingabout]

yes it worked
but i can only add 200 ° - if i type in more FACTORIO throws an error

You might want to report that as a bug in the bug reporting subforum.

on the side note : do the exchanger work with the energy (regardless of the fluids) or will it take the energy and put out only if the output fluid is loaden enough from the energy input ?
I don't mind to say the heatexchanger will include a small electric engine to carry on the materials thouse just 10 kW electric energy usage...

I'm not sure I understand the question, but I'll try to answer it anyway.

A boiler, or heat exchanger will only consume energy, be it from the solid fuel source, the electric grid, or a heat pipe, IF it is actively doing something. if there is no water to heat, or the output fluid box is full, it'll stop working and stop consuming energy. (Though if you're using an electric energy source, they may be a drain usage)