[Oxyd] [0.17.74] Pathfinder fails and unit groups stand around idle

[darklich14]

The pathfinder just gave up at some point. I'm not sure what's going on here. Map is linked (https://we.tl/t-UlE55rWl4l) with plenty of unit groups that get artilleried and just stand there and do nothing.

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[darklich14]

The forum will not let me upload the map. Where should I place it?

[Loewchen]

The forum will not let me upload the map. Where should I place it?

See: 3638

[darklich14]

Thank you Loewchen. Here is the file: https://we.tl/t-UlE55rWl4l

[darklich14]

Should the pathfinder cache look like this? Something seems a bit odd here with the display

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[azesmbog]

with plenty of unit groups that get artilleried and just stand there and do nothing.

You are not alone with this behavior of bitters.
I asked this question several times, and not just me.
So far, nothing reasonable has been answered, maybe you are more lucky.
In my humble opinion, it depends on the properties of the map itself. On my map, in some areas, frozen bitters are also frozen, and a little further - they run by the thousands for gun shots. Perhaps this is so conceived.

[darklich14]

I want to chronicle some observations:
Shortly after loading the map, the fringe is apparently not covering the entire map

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After removing a few stuck biters in the editor, after a few moments the fringe covers the map

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I found this group that seems to be quite confused on a peninsula

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Watching the pathfinder try to work through trees can be quite difficult and so can solid walls of lasers.

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Eventually

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It

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Makes it.

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This took about an hour to get some biters on the other side of a "default" lake to the source of an artillery shot. The general consensus here from time to time is to add ventilation across water bodies when firing artillery, and presumably for laser and wall defense as well. But I'm not sure why the fringe was so partitioned when the map loads. Some insight into this might explain why the path ended up going all the way around the map instead of taking a more obviously shorter path.

[darklich14]

Somehow these were set to 100. I set it back to 8000 and 1000 per

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data/base/prototypes/map_settings.lua

and now it is working fairly well

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/c game.map_settings.path_finder.max_work_done_per_tick=8000
/c game.map_settings.path_finder.max_steps_worked_per_tick=1000

I will follow up with additional observations.

[azesmbog]

I looked at these settings in my settings. everything is right there, 8000 and 1000
Now with pictures. and time.

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This is my next battlefield.
I drove close enough.

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Arrived on an armored train

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In 2 minutes.
He shot off how many shells, the bitters gathered in a flock. In line of sight !!!

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In 30 minutes.
He shot 1300 shells, the bitters both stood still and still stand. and throughout the map. As you can see, a few dozen came to the turrets. And it should be thousands, in eight rows littered with corpses should be. But no.

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Well, the general plan. One can see how many red dots and swarms. And that's for a few hours for sure.
They wouldn’t bother me, but I have thousands or hundreds of thousands of them frozen all over the map, and because of this the UPS is falling dramatically: (((((((((
What am I doing wrong ??

[orzelek]

I looked at these settings in my settings. everything is right there, 8000 and 1000
Now with pictures. and time.

pics

1.jpg
This is my next battlefield.
I drove close enough.
2.jpg
Arrived on an armored train
3.jpg
In 2 minutes.
He shot off how many shells, the bitters gathered in a flock. In line of sight !!!
4.jpg
In 30 minutes.
He shot 1300 shells, the bitters both stood still and still stand. and throughout the map. As you can see, a few dozen came to the turrets. And it should be thousands, in eight rows littered with corpses should be. But no.
5.jpg

Well, the general plan. One can see how many red dots and swarms. And that's for a few hours for sure.
They wouldn’t bother me, but I have thousands or hundreds of thousands of them frozen all over the map, and because of this the UPS is falling dramatically: (((((((((
What am I doing wrong ??

Can you post the save before you came on train?
I think that would make it easier to debug - nice setup to reproduce the issue.

[azesmbog]

Can you post the save before you came on train?
I think that would make it easier to debug - nice setup to reproduce the issue.

viewtopic.php?f=182&t=76875#p462633
in this thread my previous save. The problem is the same.
But I can publish this preservation, but tomorrow.
Tomorrow they promised me to connect the Internet to 33.6 kBit, oh, or rather 100 Mbit optics)) I really hope there will be no problems with uploading files

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Well, after 3 hours the same place. The bitters began to disappear in packs, and the packs began to move. The crowds were large, but the number is less than I expected.

[Oxyd]

Somehow these were set to 100. I set it back to 8000 and 1000 per

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data/base/prototypes/map_settings.lua

and now it is working fairly well

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/c game.map_settings.path_finder.max_work_done_per_tick=8000
/c game.map_settings.path_finder.max_steps_worked_per_tick=1000

I will follow up with additional observations.

Yep that would be the problem. Do you know how these values got changed? If the game somehow sets the default values wrong, that would definitely be a bug.

[darklich14]

Unfortunately I don't have any additional information on this. I can't recall if it was "left blank" or if it was set to 100 or whatever it was. I was thinking if someone with source could check to see if that value gets set to some default internally, that could be useful to check but otherwise, I think we're all sorted out.