Possible bug, logistics bot not queueing appropriately

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Possible bug, logistics bot not queueing appropriately

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I have 2500 logistics bots, with about 70 roboports. All bots are busy, and I can see that many are queuing for charging to very busy roboports, while other nearby roboports seems completely idle without bots charging.

I'm not sure it's really a bug, or if the game is working as intended.

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Re: Possible bug, logistics bot not queueing appropriately

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Thanks for the report but as you've speculated: this isn't a bug. Robots use a heuristic for "should I charge at this roboport or find another" and they use distance from themselves as the first value and number of robots charging/waiting to charge as the second. The distance value plays more into the logic than number of robots because as a robot has to go further it loses power and moves super slow.
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Re: Possible bug, logistics bot not queueing appropriately

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Probably not a factorio bug. See https://wiki.factorio.com/Robotic_netwo ... r_charging.

This is more likely to be considered a feature of that particular design. Handling bot charging is one of the things that make bot based design not as simple as it seems at first glance.

For a different bot based green circuit design that will use less bots per green circuit and won't suffer from charging issues see viewtopic.php?t=55521#p327170

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Re: Possible bug, logistics bot not queueing appropriately

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Rseding91 wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:30 pm
Thanks for the report but as you've speculated: this isn't a bug. Robots use a heuristic for "should I charge at this roboport or find another" and they use distance from themselves as the first value and number of robots charging/waiting to charge as the second. The distance value plays more into the logic than number of robots because as a robot has to go further it loses power and moves super slow.
That makes sense when the roboport is far away, but when it's quite close it doesn't seem to make sense.

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Re: Possible bug, logistics bot not queueing appropriately

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Zavian wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:35 pm
Probably not a factorio bug. See https://wiki.factorio.com/Robotic_netwo ... r_charging.

This is more likely to be considered a feature of that particular design. Handling bot charging is one of the things that make bot based design not as simple as it seems at first glance.

For a different bot based green circuit design that will use less bots per green circuit and won't suffer from charging issues see viewtopic.php?t=55521#p327170
That ratio is really encouraging bots to queue, this ratio should be something like 1 or even 0.5 or maybe 0.2.

I can understand this if the goal is to heavily nerf bots.

Not sure if the bot speed upgrade is really useful with this nerf.

This really render my whole base completely useless then. Too bad. I just wish the nerf allowed bot-based setups, in any other way.

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