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The Mapzoom switch from mapmode to worldmode at very close range. the character view has a better zoomout than the mapzoom.

Mapview has around the half of vision of character view

Characterview


Mapview

Thanks for the report,

This was an intentional change

What was the purpose for this? To reduce the overview for a player?

I think you will not find any player that wish reduced overview, especially if the a factory grows in size and you search for parts of you factory.

I'd like to know the intention behind this change as to me this feels like a fairly major inconvenience when it comes to troubleshooting a factory or otherwise checking on things.

I recommend to add an option in the option to change the behavior for the map. Actually your change was a step back in my opinion and would like to see a change.

Tami wrote:I recommend to add an option in the option to change the behavior for the map. Actually your change was a step back in my opinion and would like to see a change.

In the next version the step size of zooming is reduced, so the zoom levels are less dramatic between the map, and the zoom to world, which should improve how the mechanic feels

I really liked to manage my base remotely, especially when placing large solar farms. This change makes it much harder, independent of the smoothing between zoom levels. I'd like to add my voice to the people requesting the option to customize the zoom level, or simply revert the change.

Please revert this intentional change. It actually makes the map view harder to use. Complete opposite of what was desired.

Klonan wrote:

Tami wrote:I recommend to add an option in the option to change the behavior for the map. Actually your change was a step back in my opinion and would like to see a change.

In the next version the step size of zooming is reduced, so the zoom levels are less dramatic between the map, and the zoom to world, which should improve how the mechanic feels

Am I correct in assuming the end result of this new change is the mapview will still be significantly more zoomed in than the character view? It's claustrophobic and nauseating how zoomed in it currently is. I play max zoomed out normally, and I use the map view zoom to check an overview of an area which this makes more difficult. As it currently is I now prefer to run across the map to check something than use the mapview. Please consider reverting it, giving us an option to have the old way or make it moddable.

Please revert. This just makes the map-view more annoying.

I like it the way it is in 0.15.11. Zoom level for map camera view is roughly same as max zoomed out player, and map view on the closest zoom is showing so big pixels there is no missing any details.

From what i gather, people here want the player camera to start showing when zoomed even closer? How would that help debugging your setups?

Zaflis wrote:I like it the way it is in 0.15.11. Zoom level for map camera view is roughly same as max zoomed out player, and map view on the closest zoom is showing so big pixels there is no missing any details.

From what i gather, people here want the player camera to start showing when zoomed even closer? How would that help debugging your setups?

The map camera view is no where near roughly the same as max zoomed out player. Look at the OP image comparison of the two. We want the map camera view zoom lvl to match the max character zoom out which it doesn't even come to close to at the moment.

Yeah, max zoomout on map view is now significantly smaller than max zoomout as a player, which seems (to me at least) to defeat a lot of the purpose of using map view to look at larger areas quickly...

Edit: even in 0.15.12, it's still a full chunk less visible space in max-zoom map view than max-zoom character view.

The next version sounds like fixing the problem. But it's not nearly as bad as you make it out to be, about 30% less shown though. This is from map:

edit: 0.15.12 came, and roughly 5.1 chunks show horizontally.

With the grid turned on, I can get 6.5 chunks horizontally across the screen. In map view, the most I can see is a hair over 5 chunks horizontally. Map view should show *more*, not *less*. (much like spanning horizontally across multiple monitors, but that's a separate complaint...)

Can't we just get a toggle between the views? This gives the most control to the player, and I don't think the way that it automatically switches will ever feel good anyway.

Still the same.

Don't know what the patch have changed, but it has nothing to do with the initial Problem.

Normal View:


Map View:


Is there a way to mod this? I was super excited for the new map features until this change.
Please at least consider to give us a possibility to set a max-zoom factor in setting.

It doesn't make any sense that you can look further away without map that with map.
(Oh my and please don't get the evil idea to limit the zoom in nonmapview)

H8UL wrote:Can't we just get a toggle between the views? This gives the most control to the player, and I don't think the way that it automatically switches will ever feel good anyway.

I thought the automatic switch felt near perfect pre-0.15.11. In 0.15.11 it is more a hindrance than a feature. Haven't tried 0.15.12 yet but it looks close enough to viable. Make the map view show 2-3 more chunks over the max player zoom out and it will be viable.

If my blueprints get much larger than that and I start building "calibration targets" into my blueprints anyways to aid in alignment and placing.


I do agree though adding in a slider somewhere to adjust the max zoom out on zoom-to-real map view is would be for the best. Everyone wins.
Perhaps make the min be a 4x4 chunk area and the max be a 16x16 chunk area (perhaps larger?) appear on screen as zoom-to-real view.

Hi

please increase the map view max zoom level to a value over player zoom level

Thank You

credomane wrote:Haven't tried 0.15.12 yet but it looks close enough to viable. Make the map view show 2-3 more chunks over the max player zoom out and it will be viable

It didn't really change that much in 0.15.12, at least it doesn't appear to be a useful as it was in <0.15.10. It is still a step in a better direction though after comparing them myself.