Landfill becomes landfill in the recycler
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2024 10:11 pm
Simply put, the landfill recipe in the recycler becomes itself instead of the expected 12.5 stone you would think it should become.
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Re: Landfill becomes landfill in the recycler
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 1:07 am
Thanks for the report however this is not a bug. Not everything recycles into the components.
Re: Landfill becomes landfill in the recycler
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 7:08 pm
Then where is the rhyme or reason for it shown? it looks like a bug as nowhere in the game does it make it seem like it shouldn't
Re: Landfill becomes landfill in the recycler
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 7:44 pm
Re: Landfill becomes landfill in the recycler
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 8:30 am
I'm also confused why landfill shouldn't be recyclable. When I read the description, "The recycler reverses most processes except smelting and chemistry", it implies to me that, apart from smelting and chemistry, everything can be recycled.
I'm curious about the reasoning.
Maybe I should be reading it like this? "The recycle reverses most processes, with some exceptions. Products of smelting and and chemistry can never be recycled, fluids cannot be reclaimed, and some processes are just irreversible." Landfill would fall under the last category, just being irreversible.
Or maybe landfill is considered to be a smelting or chemical process? But that isn't clear to me, because it's not made in a chemical plant or a smelter.
I'm curious about the reasoning.
Maybe I should be reading it like this? "The recycle reverses most processes, with some exceptions. Products of smelting and and chemistry can never be recycled, fluids cannot be reclaimed, and some processes are just irreversible." Landfill would fall under the last category, just being irreversible.
Or maybe landfill is considered to be a smelting or chemical process? But that isn't clear to me, because it's not made in a chemical plant or a smelter.
Re: Landfill becomes landfill in the recycler
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 10:26 am
Yes, it says "most" not "all".fredthedeadhead wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 8:30 am I'm also confused why landfill shouldn't be recyclable. When I read the description, "The recycler reverses most processes except smelting and chemistry", it implies to me that, apart from smelting and chemistry, everything can be recycled.
I'm curious about the reasoning.
Maybe I should be reading it like this? "The recycle reverses most processes, with some exceptions. Products of smelting and and chemistry can never be recycled, fluids cannot be reclaimed, and some processes are just irreversible." Landfill would fall under the last category, just being irreversible.
Or maybe landfill is considered to be a smelting or chemical process? But that isn't clear to me, because it's not made in a chemical plant or a smelter.
The rules for what recycles to itself is somewhat arbitrary, see viewtopic.php?p=646241#p646241.
In particular, the games lua code explicitly makes landfill do this. My best guess is because it would allow for efficienct storage and transportation of stone, since one landfill requires 50 stone to make, meaning with recycling it would store 12.5 stone.
Re: Landfill becomes landfill in the recycler
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 10:53 am
It's very inefficient – you lose 75% stone while doing that. Furthermore, one rocket carries less stone in the form of recycleable landfill than stone directly.IsaacOscar wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 10:26 am Yes, it says "most" not "all".
The rules for what recycles to itself is somewhat arbitrary, see viewtopic.php?p=646241#p646241.
In particular, the games lua code explicitly makes landfill do this. My best guess is because it would allow for efficienct storage and transportation of stone, since one landfill requires 50 stone to make, meaning with recycling it would store 12.5 stone.
Re: Landfill becomes landfill in the recycler
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 11:50 am
Whether the description says "most recipes" or "all recipes", I still find it ambiguous. The phrasing implies that anything not involving smelting or chemistry is reversed, which creates an expectation that landfill would be recyclable.
A suggested rephrase:
"The recycler reverses most crafting processes except for smelting, chemistry, and a few special cases."
Re: Landfill becomes landfill in the recycler
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:03 pm
Fair enough, I'm just being pedantic about the meaning of the english words "most" and "except".fredthedeadhead wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 11:50 amWhether the description says "most recipes" or "all recipes", I still find it ambiguous. The phrasing implies that anything not involving smelting or chemistry is reversed, which creates an expectation that landfill would be recyclable.
A suggested rephrase:
"The recycler reverses most crafting processes except for smelting, chemistry, and a few special cases."
At least it's not an outright lie, unlike:
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Re: Landfill becomes landfill in the recycler
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:26 pm
What recipe is not an intermediate and can use productivity modules?IsaacOscar wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:03 pm At least it's not an outright lie, unlike:
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Re: Landfill becomes landfill in the recycler
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:44 pm
Stone Bricks, Concrete from molten iron, Artificial & Overgrowth yumako & jellynut soil.Hares wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:26 pmWhat recipe is not an intermediate and can use productivity modules?IsaacOscar wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:03 pm At least it's not an outright lie, unlike:
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Also you can use them in labs for research (not sure if "science" is an intermediate product or not).
Re: Landfill becomes landfill in the recycler
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 1:26 pm
IsaacOscar wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:44 pmStone Bricks, Concrete from molten iron, Artificial & Overgrowth yumako & jellynut soil.Hares wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:26 pmWhat recipe is not an intermediate and can use productivity modules?IsaacOscar wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:03 pm At least it's not an outright lie, unlike:
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Also you can use them in labs for research (not sure if "science" is an intermediate product or not).
- Concrete from molten iron recipe is located inside Intermediates tab.
- Stone bricks can't use prod modules directly (it's a furnace recipe). Also, it's mostly intermediate.
- Soil is weird. It looks more like a bug than intended behaviour.
Re: Landfill becomes landfill in the recycler
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 1:42 pm
Oh you're right, but 'concrete' itself is in the logistics tab, how confusing.
Yes they can.
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I already mentioned this to the dev's, but it's a 'won't' fix, see 122408
Re: Landfill becomes landfill in the recycler
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 2:00 pm
As I said in the other topic, all furnace recipes should have the same list of allowed modules, otherwise it would eject modules when invalid item enters the ingredient slot.