Geothermal - A clean, but powerful power source all day long

[mmmPI]

not sure if that would help but hey
EDIT : That is an old map i have stopped playing i am not asking for anything, was just curious to see how my old base looked and thought i would try to look the for the wells with the new 0.17

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[capthavic]

Well whatever the case I can't get them spawn reliably to be worth the trouble. Even making the whole map volcanic/arctic isn't a sure thing. They don't show on the preview map when they do spawn which doesn't help things. Guess I'll stick with the usual power sources, thanks anyway.

[FuryoftheStars]

Well whatever the case I can't get them spawn reliably to be worth the trouble. Even making the whole map volcanic/arctic isn't a sure thing. They don't show on the preview map when they do spawn which doesn't help things. Guess I'll stick with the usual power sources, thanks anyway.

Do you have any other mods installed that spawn or affect resources? You can see from my post just before your first one that I’m not having any problems with them *not* spawning. lol

I wonder if you were to look in your factorio log, or even double check the geothermal mod startup settings? I believe the frequency default is 1, and the default for the biomes is volcanic.

Note that for me, too, I don’t cut out any of the biomes from Alien Biomes. I let them all spawn, so sometimes have the go through a few map iterations before I see volcanic within the preview range.

[Reika]

Well whatever the case I can't get them spawn reliably to be worth the trouble. Even making the whole map volcanic/arctic isn't a sure thing. They don't show on the preview map when they do spawn which doesn't help things. Guess I'll stick with the usual power sources, thanks anyway.

Do you have any other mods installed that spawn or affect resources? You can see from my post just before your first one that I’m not having any problems with them *not* spawning. lol

I wonder if you were to look in your factorio log, or even double check the geothermal mod startup settings? I believe the frequency default is 1, and the default for the biomes is volcanic.

Note that for me, too, I don’t cut out any of the biomes from Alien Biomes. I let them all spawn, so sometimes have the go through a few map iterations before I see volcanic within the preview range.

Additionally, wells have distance factored into their generation; they will not appear near the spawn and are rare when they first do appear.

[Pi-C]

In 0.17.67, graphics for the chemical plant have been changed and some of the files from the base mod that your mod requires have been removed:

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File not found: __base__/graphics/entity/chemical-plant/hr-boiling-window-green-patch.png

Mods to be disabled:
• attach-notes
• assembler-pipe-passthrough
• Will-o-the-Wisps_updated
• Geothermal

Grepping through all these mods, I found that it's only your mod which requires that missing file. Here's a list of missing files required by your mod:

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./Geothermal_1.17.12/prototypes/turbine.lua:436:            filename = "__base__/graphics/entity/chemical-plant/hr-boiling-window-green-patch.png",

EDIT: Sorry, had to cut the list because I noticed that only this one file is not included in your mod.

[DarkNova]

Did the Factorio developers change the graphics or where did the problem come from?

[Pi-C]

Did the Factorio developers change the graphics or where did the problem come from?

See the 0.17.67 announcement:

Graphics

• New chemical plant graphics.
• Heat pipes (also in reactors and heat exchangers) glow with high temperatures.

Guess they removed obsolete files from the base mod -- and if a mod tries to load these removed files, it will crash.

[Bizobinator]

I've been getting this error message when I try starting with GeoThermal...

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[Light]

I've been getting this error message when I try starting with GeoThermal...

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Go back to Factorio version .66 and copy the images from the chemical-plant folder, then return to the latest version and restore them without replacing anything.

The boiling green patch images will then be there for this mod to reference and the game will start up.

[BlueTemplar]

I think it's a typo, in /prototypes/turbine.lua, line 436 :

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            filename = "__base__/graphics/entity/chemical-plant/hr-boiling-window-green-patch.png",

should be :

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            filename = "__Geothermal__/graphics/entity/chemical-plant/hr-boiling-window-green-patch.png",

?

[DarkShadow44]

Hi Reika,

could we have a "depletion" behavior like with oil patches?
I'm thinking along the lines of having different random starting yields that slowly shrink to a minimum yield. While not necessarily realistic, for balancing reasons this would seem useful to me. At the beginning it could give a lot of energy, and just a small surplus when it's "depleted".

[Reika]

Hi Reika,

could we have a "depletion" behavior like with oil patches?
I'm thinking along the lines of having different random starting yields that slowly shrink to a minimum yield. While not necessarily realistic, for balancing reasons this would seem useful to me. At the beginning it could give a lot of energy, and just a small surplus when it's "depleted".

No, I specifically tuned it not to have that.

[DarkShadow44]

No, I specifically tuned it not to have that.

Oh, I see. May I ask why you decided for a constant value instead of having it variable with a certain average?
I'm guessing a config option is also out of the question then. If so, would you mind if I make a mod that has yours as dependency and simply patches those values, for me and others that prefer a different kind of approach?

[Reika]

No, I specifically tuned it not to have that.

Oh, I see. May I ask why you decided for a constant value instead of having it variable with a certain average?
I'm guessing a config option is also out of the question then. If so, would you mind if I make a mod that has yours as dependency and simply patches those values, for me and others that prefer a different kind of approach?

I do not want to force the player to continually move geothermal infrastructure around, and moving around only the pumps and carrying the heated water to a more permanent processing facility also makes no sense - the water would not remain heated during transport. Given a good idea on implementation, I will be making that happen in the mod, meaning your addon would make using geothermal power a massive headache.

[DarkShadow44]

My goal wasn't to force players to move infrastructure around, just to have a big starting effect with declining value over time - like most resources in this game. Depending on your minimum/maximum, you can have patches that infinitely(!) give 50%-150% of what you now give constantly. So even with depletion mechanics, the average output could stay the same...

moving around only the pumps and carrying the heated water to a more permanent processing facility also makes no sense - the water would not remain heated during transport

Well, but that's how it's currently implemented, no? You can easily move steam around, for example.

Given a good idea on implementation

Implementation of what exactly?

your addon would make using geothermal power a massive headache.

I don't think so, it should only give geothermal energy a starting boost while making it a bit weaker in the long run. Considering that, in the long run, you can easily use speed module to increase its value, not too bad, I'd say.

[Reika]

moving around only the pumps and carrying the heated water to a more permanent processing facility also makes no sense - the water would not remain heated during transport

Well, but that's how it's currently implemented, no? You can easily move steam around, for example.

Which is something I consider stupid and would make impossible if I could.

Given a good idea on implementation

Implementation of what exactly?

How to make long-distance transport (and ideally storage) of heated water impossible.

Considering that, in the long run, you can easily use speed module to increase its value, not too bad, I'd say.

That is also not supposed to be possible.

[DarkShadow44]

Agreed, that makes sense. Leaving my original question aside for now, would you accept pull requests for those issues?
The speed module issue is an easy fix, no idea why setting "allowed_effects" to "nil" doesn't work, but "{}" certainly should.
EDIT: Seems like mining devices are different, see viewtopic.php?p=339399#p339399

[Reika]

Agreed, that makes sense. Leaving my original question aside for now, would you accept pull requests for those issues?
The speed module issue is an easy fix, no idea why setting "allowed_effects" to "nil" doesn't work, but "{}" certainly should.
EDIT: Seems like mining devices are different, see viewtopic.php?p=339399#p339399

I never merge PRs, but feel free to post the code fix, and I will add it myself provided it will work.

[DarkShadow44]

I never merge PRs, but feel free to post the code fix, and I will add it myself provided it will work.

Okay then. As noted, "allowed_effects = {}" does fix the modules issue on the geothermal generator.

[Reika]

I never merge PRs, but feel free to post the code fix, and I will add it myself provided it will work.

Okay then. As noted, "allowed_effects = {}" does fix the modules issue on the geothermal generator.

Done.