Re: [Mod 0.14/0.15] Logistic Train Network 1.2.3
Posted: Wed May 10, 2017 10:01 pm
Nagapito, try going to Options/Mods/Map, uncheck "finish loading", i believe it will fix you up.
You managed to import the JAX tanks to 0.15, nice. I suggest clicking on the station, check which train is scheduled to it and check that train's scheduled delivery order. If for some reason that train that is scheduled to that station is stuck in another station in a load/unload loop it will never reach that station its scheduled to go.nagapito wrote:I dont think you really understood my situation...
This is my situation: http://imgur.com/a/0bNX9
That station is waiting for some order and so its reserved and no one can use it. But there is no order and has been like this for hours!
If I remove the station and place it again, it fixes it but... I dont know what consequences it might internally have, since clearly there is a lost order in the queue.
Replacing stops is no problem for LTN.nagapito wrote:I dont think you really understood my situation...
This is my situation: http://imgur.com/a/0bNX9
That station is waiting for some order and so its reserved and no one can use it. But there is no order and has been like this for hours!
If I remove the station and place it again, it fixes it but... I dont know what consequences it might internally have, since clearly there is a lost order in the queue.
Sad, that you cant change that from station to station... but ill try it, thanks.TaztheRotten wrote:Nagapito, try going to Options/Mods/Map, uncheck "finish loading", i believe it will fix you up.
Seems I should had posted another screenshot with the station schedules, to show there are none. And another from the full list of trains to show all of them parked at the depot, with no pending orders.Mobius1 wrote:You managed to import the JAX tanks to 0.15, nice. I suggest clicking on the station, check which train is scheduled to it and check that train's scheduled delivery order. If for some reason that train that is scheduled to that station is stuck in another station in a load/unload loop it will never reach that station its scheduled to go.nagapito wrote:I dont think you really understood my situation...
This is my situation: http://imgur.com/a/0bNX9
That station is waiting for some order and so its reserved and no one can use it. But there is no order and has been like this for hours!
If I remove the station and place it again, it fixes it but... I dont know what consequences it might internally have, since clearly there is a lost order in the queue.
Nice, what I wanted to know. Will replace it and if somehow it happens again, I will try to know more on how to reproduce it. I really dont expect it to happen again any time soon.Optera wrote: Replacing stops is no problem for LTN.
Trains will behave like with manual schedules and have the replaced station turn red. If you place down a new stop with same name they will continue towards it.
Internally LTN will remove all references to the old stop and create a new one, including the seemingly lost order.
The worst thing that will happen is trains en route being not registered as deliveries anymore and LTN will dispatch new trains. You can prevent that by not requesting anything while there are still old trains en route.
Hook up the unloader inserters with a red wire comming from the yellow combinator of the LTN station, set each inserter with "Anything < 0" in "enable/disable" mode. Which means, whenever a train is "providing" stuff, the yellow combinator will output a negative signal allowing the inserters to operate but if the train is "requesting" stuff on the station, all the signals will be positive and the unloader inserters won't operate. Simple as that.ray4ever wrote:Hi all,
I would like to set up a compact, rail-based, factory for all items. To keep it compact and loading times still manageable, i would like to set up a LTN Station with stack filter inserters where a train (wagon position is in both cases the same) can be loaded and unloaded. My Problem is that when I use the "read train content" signal as the input for my stack filter inserters they would directly unload everything that I'm loading at the same time.
Do you REALLY need a perfect count of, say, 200 iron ore and 200 copper ore in the train, no more, no less? Or it can be 272 iron ore and 268 copper ore for example? The way I set up my stations I really don't care if they let a few spares on the train, they'll all be consumed anyway. So I do this:ray4ever wrote:Another problem with multi item stack inserters is that i don't know how to set their stack size for a perfect count. E.g. if i want to load iron and copper, the filter would be set for iron. If all the iron is loaded the filter would switch to copper. But how do I generate a signal that i can use to control the stack size? It would have to represent the value of iron and if iron is zero it would represent the value of copper. Does anybody have a good solution for this?
Can't say for sure if it's a bug with migration to 1.2 or something else. I didn't see broken stations in my own maps when migrating to 1.2removing req station and build (the same) again, just worked fine dont know how.
turn off the cc producing the requests?Is there a way to tell LTN to dont take something from other stations? (since im in the start of the game i dont ahve enaught laser turrets for all my outposts, now LTN creates delivers like from outpost 1 to outpost 2, which is ofc, not working)
What does that mean.Optera wrote:Can't say for sure if it's a bug with migration to 1.2 or something else. I didn't see broken stations in my own maps when migrating to 1.2removing req station and build (the same) again, just worked fine dont know how.
turn off the cc producing the requests?Is there a way to tell LTN to dont take something from other stations? (since im in the start of the game i dont ahve enaught laser turrets for all my outposts, now LTN creates delivers like from outpost 1 to outpost 2, which is ofc, not working)
Means you use a constant combinator to set negative values for requests. Well turn it off to NOT have the station request stuff.What does that mean.turn off the cc producing the requests?
Too prone to user error.is there any way yet to tell a stop to only accept Trains of a certain composition?
If there is no train for a full capacity delivery available LTN will use the next best train. In your case one with a single wagon.Furthermore ltn repeatedly tried to use the LL-CCCCC_F wagon to deliver 75k steam to a Station that has Minimum delivery size set to 200k. How can that happen?
I though this behaviour would only appear, if "use best effort" is active, which is not the case in my config file.If there is no train for a full capacity delivery available LTN will use the next best train. In your case one with a single wagon.
So this leaves me with 2 Options: have only one Train composition per Train length or edit the Control file to check for exactly that. I dont like either of those Options and might go with the second.Too prone to user error.
Best Effort and Ignore Minimum Delivery Size change providers to be used even when they are below the threshold.ichVII wrote:I though this behaviour would only appear, if "use best effort" is active, which is not the case in my config file.If there is no train for a full capacity delivery available LTN will use the next best train. In your case one with a single wagon.
You are free to do that for personal use as long as you don't make the fork publicly available.So this leaves me with 2 Options: have only one Train composition per Train length or edit the Control file to check for exactly that. I dont like either of those Options and might go with the second.Too prone to user error.
Optera wrote:Means you use a constant combinator to set negative values for requests. Well turn it off to NOT have the station request stuff.What does that mean.turn off the cc producing the requests?
Too prone to user error.is there any way yet to tell a stop to only accept Trains of a certain composition?
If there is no train for a full capacity delivery available LTN will use the next best train. In your case one with a single wagon.Furthermore ltn repeatedly tried to use the LL-CCCCC_F wagon to deliver 75k steam to a Station that has Minimum delivery size set to 200k. How can that happen?
PS: Mixed trains are not supported by LTN. It will always generate a separate delivery for each fluid.
Unless there is a way to check stations pump layout and fluid wagon configuration quickly this won't change.
If you have a requester turning into provider your circuit logic is flawed.nuhll wrote: "Means you use a constant combinator to set negative values for requests. Well turn it off to NOT have the station request stuff."
I WANT all that stations to REQUEST stuff, LTN USES the REQUEST STATIONS as SUPPLY. THAT is the problem. Like i explained!?
many request stations for towers, miners etc. one supply, if supply is empty, ltn creates unlimited transferes to get things from REQUESTER to REQUESTER instead of BASE to REQUESTER.
And still, min delivery is not working.
I only have the same type of trains, i set it to 7k, ltn only creates 4k transfers... even if 20k is missing....
I see the problem, Every station created by LTN automatically becomes a SUPPLY Station so you don't need to make any type of combinator magic on them, by default they are providers. You only need to use combinator signals to REQUEST items from all your train network.nuhll wrote:"Means you use a constant combinator to set negative values for requests. Well turn it off to NOT have the station request stuff."
I WANT all that stations to REQUEST stuff, LTN USES the REQUEST STATIONS as SUPPLY. THAT is the problem. Like i explained!?
many request stations for towers, miners etc. one supply, if supply is empty, ltn creates unlimited transferes to get things from REQUESTER to REQUESTER instead of BASE to REQUESTER.
And still, min delivery is not working.
I only have the same type of trains, i set it to 7k, ltn only creates 4k transfers... even if 20k is missing....
How should this whole mod be USEABLE when every REQUESTER will be automatic a SUPPLY station? I used this mod now 50h or something like this, i never had so hard problems except now since 0.15. I just setup a constant combinator and set e.g. -50 Belts. Since min delivery for outposts is only 25..... (i set now min delivery to 50- so this error is nearly fixed). Also min delivery is not always broken, only on all of "my ore stations -> requester in base".Mobius1 wrote:I see the problem, Every station created by LTN automatically becomes a SUPPLY Station so you don't need to make any type of combinator magic on them, by default they are providers. You only need to use combinator signals to REQUEST items from all your train network.nuhll wrote:"Means you use a constant combinator to set negative values for requests. Well turn it off to NOT have the station request stuff."
I WANT all that stations to REQUEST stuff, LTN USES the REQUEST STATIONS as SUPPLY. THAT is the problem. Like i explained!?
many request stations for towers, miners etc. one supply, if supply is empty, ltn creates unlimited transferes to get things from REQUESTER to REQUESTER instead of BASE to REQUESTER.
And still, min delivery is not working.
I only have the same type of trains, i set it to 7k, ltn only creates 4k transfers... even if 20k is missing....
Your min delivery is not working because your outpost is requesting stuff while it should be providing stuff and you never set the signal "min delivery size" on any of the requester outposts and with the mod configuration "use best effort" selected on the settings page before creating a new game or loading a map or with the "minimum delivery size" setting set to something lower than 1000 makes the trains request lower than the work order size.