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Re: UPS Wars 3 - Electronic Circuits

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:51 am
by Stevetrov
mrvn wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:30 pm
Has anyone considered having a train long enough to be loaded by multiple patches? Load e.g. 4 wagons per patch then advance the train by 4 wagons and repeat till it's all full. Or have lots of locomotives to fill the gap between patches or simply leave cars empty.
I do not think this would help. This technique would reduce the total number of trains at the expense of more rolling stock. As the biggest UPS hit from trains is for the collision checks on the rolling stock this is likely to be a bad trade off.

Although it would look fairly cool!

Re: UPS Wars 3 - Electronic Circuits

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:33 am
by flame_Sla
fine tuning to 100000
circuit everything

Re: UPS Wars 3 - Electronic Circuits

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:08 am
by DaveMcW
54902.083 ms - flame_Sla v5.5

Re: UPS Wars 3 - Electronic Circuits

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:31 am
by DaveMcW
DaveMcW wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:53 pm
I'm not sure any kind of buffer chest will be efficient enough to win.
39991.665 ms - DaveMcW trains only

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No cars, no belts, no buffer chests. Just direct inserting everywhere.

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Re: UPS Wars 3 - Electronic Circuits

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:57 pm
by knightelite
Nice work DaveMcW. Just waiting to beat us all until things had stagnated a bit :D.

Re: UPS Wars 3 - Electronic Circuits

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:11 pm
by Syhn
For those who are interested, there's been a lot of design discussion happening in the Technical Factorio discord: https://discord.gg/8RqPQYM

Congrats on the sub 40 second time, Dave. :D

Re: UPS Wars 3 - Electronic Circuits

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:22 pm
by disentius
what my brain is like after the last few entries:
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Re: UPS Wars 3 - Electronic Circuits

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:47 pm
by Stevetrov
It isnt going to beat dave (the master) McW

But here is the latest refinement of my train map. I have reordered the smelters so the smelter with fewer beacons is in a different place on each row, this has made a huge difference of over 0.1 ms / tick on my pc. (from .486 -> .367) the other changes are largely cosmetic.

Re: UPS Wars 3 - Electronic Circuits

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:08 pm
by DaveMcW
52170.059 ms - Stevetrov trains 3 balancered smelters 3

Re: UPS Wars 3 - Electronic Circuits

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:20 pm
by Syhn
Well, looks like I have some catching up to do.

Re: UPS Wars 3 - Electronic Circuits

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:51 am
by flame_Sla
belt b10
circuit everything

Re: UPS Wars 3 - Electronic Circuits

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:54 am
by DaveMcW
53014.356 ms - flame_Sla v8.1 belt-b10-clock

flame_Sla is now the leader in "belts only" category!

Re: UPS Wars 3 - Electronic Circuits

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:08 am
by mulark
I took the liberty of cloning each design up to 1M/m since performance scaling is often not linear.

I ran each map until it appeared to be stable, then took a save. For trains this meant long times, belt based designs not-so-much.

I cloned each map in a chunk aligned manner so it's unlikely that positional asymmetry creeped in.

A few maps remained fairly unstable, or didn't quite reach 1M cleanly. Take with a grain of salt.

Anything entitled legalized (to vanilla, not this contest) means I modified stuff:
- moving the character probably to not gen chunks
- making all cars active

Aside from that everything was brought up to 0.17.75.

https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/fold ... kXmbMQPZ4b

Re: UPS Wars 3 - Electronic Circuits

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:50 am
by Syhn
I made a *very* marginal improvement to my belt-only build.

Re: UPS Wars 3 - Electronic Circuits

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:26 am
by DaveMcW
52143.052 ms - Shyn v1.19

Shyn is now the leader in "belts only" category!

Re: UPS Wars 3 - Electronic Circuits

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:26 am
by flame_Sla
belt b10
off-patch

Re: UPS Wars 3 - Electronic Circuits

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:37 am
by DaveMcW
69932.784 ms - flame_Sla v6.2 belt-b10-clock-off-patch

Re: UPS Wars 3 - Electronic Circuits

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:43 pm
by MEOWMI
Well, I was going to do this, but it turns out my build would require more ore patches and I guess I would be allowed to add more, but at that point I'm just not interested enough. Probably wasn't gonna work.

Re: UPS Wars 3 - Electronic Circuits

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:46 pm
by Syhn
MEOWMI wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:43 pm
Well, I was going to do this, but it turns out my build would require more ore patches and I guess I would be allowed to add more, but at that point I'm just not interested enough. Probably wasn't gonna work.
What did you have in mind? I thought my build took up quite a lot of room, but it still only took up 9 patches.

Re: UPS Wars 3 - Electronic Circuits

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:57 pm
by DaveMcW
If your build involves putting max beacons around every mining drill, I confirm it won't work. At Mining productivity 44, a beacon boosting only 1 mining drill is a net loss of UPS.