4 belts beaconed smelter row

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4 belts beaconed smelter row

Post by Dimanper » Fri Aug 24, 2018 7:14 pm

The other day i tried to find any 4 belts per row smelting design on the internet, din't find anything close to what i was looking for (which is odd), so i ended up building one myself.
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4 output blue belts are completely compressed. It is possible to remove some beacons for maximum power efficiency (6 beacon effects on furnaces to be exact), but i just did't feel like it, so whatever.

Even though i now have the design i wanted, i'm still very interested to have a look at some similar ones to see how other people did it. So i'm asking you to give me some links/pics/blueprints/whatever here if you have some. Thanks.
P.S. Also i didn't know to which subforum submit my post, so i posted it just in the general one.

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Re: 4 belts beaconed smelter row

Post by Koub » Fri Aug 24, 2018 7:32 pm

[Koub] Moved to Mechanical Throughput Magic subforum. I think this is where this kind of demonstration belongs.
Koub - Please consider English is not my native language.

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Re: 4 belts beaconed smelter row

Post by Bauer » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:12 am

Thanks. Exactly what I need right now.
Nice design. Will use.

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Re: 4 belts beaconed smelter row

Post by zOldBulldog » Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:10 pm

The fact that this design is for 4 belts and is thin and long strikes me as ideal for a generic and ever expandable smelting outpost.

This is the image it immediately created in my mind:

- 4-wagon ore train comes in and parks at an unload station, stretching in the same direction as your smelter, and with spacing between tracks just as wide as your smelter. That stop is for a given ore.
- 4-wagon smelted product comes out the other end and loads onto a train with a similar setup.
- Repeat as many times as needed for the same or even different ores (since each line is for one ore, it is easy to add another line next to it (and train stops) for whichever ore is running out. Literally infinitely expandable.
- A stacker for each side (one for trains with full ores, one for empty trains waiting for smelted product). It does not matter that it will contain trains with different ores (of course one ore per train), since each train will be going to the right stop for the ore.

I so look forward to building this.

BTW, do you have a similar smelter line optimized for iron ore to steel? Of course, it will likely input 4 line of iron ore and output fewer lines of steel, or output 4 lines of steel but input more lines of ore.

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Re: 4 belts beaconed smelter row

Post by Bauer » Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:32 pm

I took this element and stacked 48 of such melter rows next to each other. On the front side I have 4 unloading stations for 6>12>6 trains on two parallel tracks. Each wagon unloads to 4 belts. The belts are not 100% full (because there are only 12 chest-to-belt inserters) but this is ok -- the 20% productivity bonus requires only 83,3% saturated belts.

If my calculation is right, this is enough for sweet 60 SPM -- I wanted to go small this time because the low-UPS of my previous base made me sick.

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Re: 4 belts beaconed smelter row

Post by DaveMcW » Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:37 pm

Here is a version with blue belts only.

It has 2 filter splitters you will need to edit if you are not smelting iron ore.

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Re: 4 belts beaconed smelter row

Post by zOldBulldog » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:23 pm

Bleargh, I started trying these (and thinking about how to make a steel version of them too)... and run out of power. Detoured to process uranium, kovarex and build a nuclear power plant :P

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Re: 4 belts beaconed smelter row

Post by That guy » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:43 pm

*belt saving intensifies*

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Re: 4 belts beaconed smelter row

Post by disentius » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:49 pm

Nice one, Dave.
[nitpick]
However, i noticed that you use one full belt to feed 12 furnaces.
Factorio calculator gives a use of 0.806 blue belts ore input for 12 beaconed furnaces. Did I miss something? Or are you referring to 4 full belts output?
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Re: 4 belts beaconed smelter row

Post by Bauer » Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:34 pm

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This one is for 4 blue belts of iron plates into almost 1 blue belt of steel.


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Re: 4 belts beaconed smelter row

Post by DaveMcW » Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:11 am

7 blue belts of iron ore into 2 blue belts of steel. Features 231 furnaces in a row (2 more than optimal due to inserter issues).

Our scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.

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Re: 4 belts beaconed smelter row

Post by Bauer » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:25 pm

Updated to version 0.17 (universal use without filter splitter)

4 blue belts output (179-180 items/s)
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Re: 4 belts beaconed smelter row

Post by Bauer » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:14 pm

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Forget my previous post... My thinking went in the wrong direction. This is much better.


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Re: 4 belts beaconed smelter row

Post by Bauer » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:42 am

Bauer wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:14 pm
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Forget my previous post... My thinking went in the wrong direction. This is much better.

BTW:
I somehow cannot manage the spitter magic on the output side. There are 4 blue and 1 red belt that provide 180 items/s. I just can't manage to "split" them onto 4 blue belts. This setup ends up with an average of 179 items/s. Please let me know if you have a better design (which doesn't need 1 Mio splitters).

The problem is that if the "holes" in the blue belts coincide, then this also generates a hole in the output. This leads to backpressure on one of the belts, blocking the output of one or several of the furnaces. Or if you look at the problem from a different corner: There is no buffer in the output to compensate for the coincidence of holes.

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Re: 4 belts beaconed smelter row

Post by DaveMcW » Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:24 am

Yes, splitters with output priority cannot achieve full compression. You have to design them using input priority only.

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Re: 4 belts beaconed smelter row

Post by Bauer » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:38 pm

DaveMcW wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:24 am
Yes, splitters with output priority cannot achieve full compression. You have to design them using input priority only.
Thanks for the hint.
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This makes it a little bit better, but still not 180/s. Theoretically, it's perfect, but practically not.
(not easy to spot, but there is a hole in the second output belt from the top)

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Re: 4 belts beaconed smelter row

Post by DaveMcW » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:50 pm

Try adding 1-belt buffer between each set of splitters.

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Re: 4 belts beaconed smelter row

Post by Bauer » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:53 pm

like this?
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still not fully packed.

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Re: 4 belts beaconed smelter row

Post by theolderbeholder » Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:10 pm

One more splitter to the left column, middle position.

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Re: 4 belts beaconed smelter row

Post by Bauer » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:55 pm

theolderbeholder wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:10 pm
One more splitter to the left column, middle position.
Too easy! This one is theoretically not needed... However, I tried it nevertheless. It's not the solution.
I'm pretty sure now that you cannot reach perfect compression with splitters since 0.17.
At a different location, I have 6 perfectly compressed belts and reduce them with a standard 6-to-4 balancer to 4 belts. The result are 4 non-perfectly compressed belts.
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