Fully compressing a blue belt with one box

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Fully compressing a blue belt with one box

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I didn't realize this was possible, but, I used to use a modified version of this arrangement; when I fixed it up a bit for 0.16 side-loading.... Lo and behold.... see for yourself. After a bit of stuttering at startup, I am pretty sure it could go on and on like this for days.
Fully compressing a blue belt from a single box in 0.16.16
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Obviously with four ex-serters on the box, and no "sides" left for in-serters this requires robots or hand-feeding.

This notably strongly suggests that at least three full blue belts must be extractable from a train-car with the right amount of spaghetti.

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I think I can improve it a little bit.
We can make it shorter and splitter is not needed actually.
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or, if you need more space
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Also, as 1 chest > blue belt this setup does its job, meanwhile, it's easier to have 3-wide setup instead of 5-wide, but it will require 2 chests.
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You can do it in a 5x5 square.
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That's impressive ) I'll take it )

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disentius wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 7:36 pm
You can do it in a 5x5 square.
Actually, that doesn't seem to work for me. Am I doing something wrong?
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No, I did something wrong :)
To get full compression, there need to be at least one belt segment after the inserters to buffer the swings. I knew that! Damn...
Two solutions. the second one is inside a 5x5, lucky me.
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I like the lower one. Thanks :)
BTW - how do you spawn these purple undergrounds in Sandbox? I assume it's unlimited consumption belt? I haven't found a console command for it.

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I use the mod "editor extentions" in editor mode for testbuilds.

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KAA wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 2:55 pm
I like the lower one. Thanks :)
BTW - how do you spawn these purple undergrounds in Sandbox? I assume it's unlimited consumption belt? I haven't found a console command for it.
it's built in as an infinity chest; these editor extensions entities are all working via lua on_tick scripting and it's expensive. of course you might not care if you're just setting up a small thing here and there.

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The editor extensions version is a loader and infinty chest combined, and you can set items per lane. Not sure about the "on tick"stuff, as far as i can see this is only used for something to do with the infinity wagon.

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ptx0 wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 3:34 pm
it's built in as an infinity chest;
I have vanilla infinity chest. With loader, it provides belt of stuff. Can it gather it from the belt? How?
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and it's expensive.
Expensive in terms of what?

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KAA wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 4:40 pm
I have vanilla infinity chest. With loader, it provides belt of stuff. Can it gather it from the belt? How?
Rotating (default key: R) after placing will switch between load/unload. The infinity chest should have "Infinity filters" empty and "Remove unfiltered items" set to create an infinite sink.

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Wow. Tricky stuff. Works, though. :)

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KAA wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 4:40 pm
Expensive in terms of what?
CPU time cost :lol:

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ptx0 wrote:
Mon May 03, 2021 12:47 am
KAA wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 4:40 pm
Expensive in terms of what?
CPU time cost :lol:
But it's a Sandbox! It's about experiments )

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disentius wrote:
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The editor extensions version is a loader and infinty chest combined, and you can set items per lane. Not sure about the "on tick"stuff, as far as i can see this is only used for something to do with the infinity wagon.
Raiguard switches the inventory of an infinity chest and a wagon to simulate an infinity wagon.
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KAA wrote:
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I have vanilla infinity chest. With loader, it provides belt of stuff. Can it gather it from the belt? How?

Rotate the loader after you place it.
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Tried a bunch of things to remove the sideloading, but I can only get 43i/s. (Stack size override 7/11).
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eradicator wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 5:41 am
Tried a bunch of things to remove the sideloading, but I can only get 43i/s. (Stack size override 7/11).
Sorry for stupid question. What do you mean by sideloading and why to remove it?

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KAA wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 12:49 pm
eradicator wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 5:41 am
Tried a bunch of things to remove the sideloading, but I can only get 43i/s. (Stack size override 7/11).
Sorry for stupid question. What do you mean by sideloading and why to remove it?
It's when one belt loads onto the other from the side. Using one continous belt means the engine has to calculate fewer seperate belt segments, thus giving a very tiny UPS boost. But if the resulting belt isn't fully compressed that's bad for UPS again. In either case the effect might be too small to be relevant even in megabases. So I mostly tried it because I find assymetrical sideloading not very aesthetically pleasing.

If two chests were allowed then the classic stack override 12/8 scheme fully compresses both lanes.
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