That only applies if you use a fractal mining design, such as this one. For normal mining setups you just shift the left/right problem to a front/back problem.ssilk wrote:Another good reason for belt/lane balancers is to avoid that ore-fields are mined "unsymmetrical". Left miners are earlier exhausted than right. For example.
Why does people keep quoting the broken 3 underground version instead of this one?Jackielope wrote:Here's a lane balancer that doesn't use underground belts:
Also doubles as a count perfect 2 to 1.
If you find wasting 13 items to be stuck in a balancer so bad, you should also advocate the cheaper one of the non underground belt lane balancers:Miravlix wrote: Why does people keep quoting the broken 3 underground version instead of this one?
The underground one is broken as some items get stuck in it, that may be fine in many cases but it still leaves situation where it's bad.
Mehve got it basically right with his interpretation.hansinator wrote:Front/back? I don't get it, can you elaborate?
At a guess, the need for lane balancing tends to imply that you're moving/processing fairly large quantities over long periods of time, to the point where a measly dozen or so items becomes insignificant in comparison.Miravlix wrote:Why does people keep quoting the broken 3 underground version instead of this one?
The underground one is broken as some items get stuck in it, that may be fine in many cases but it still leaves situation where it's bad.
You completely ignored my point about the one with stuck items being broken in some situations, so I'm not sure how to have a discussion about the topic, if it's irrelevant what I say.d4rkpl4y3r wrote:For the reason why people advocate the underground belt version, I would guess because it is smaller.
You say it is broken, but I have yet to see where the 1 belt lane balancer with underground belts has any flaws besides stuck items or the higher cost in materials. Could you please elaborate what you mean by that?Miravlix wrote:You completely ignored my point about the one with stuck items being broken in some situations, so I'm not sure how to have a discussion about the topic, if it's irrelevant what I say.d4rkpl4y3r wrote:For the reason why people advocate the underground belt version, I would guess because it is smaller.
It's 100% safe to recommend the non underground belt version, because it works in every single possible situations.
Sure recommend the underground one for space or whatever reason, but don't do it without pointing out it's flaw.
I still don't get it ^^ Pictures?Mehve wrote:I believe he means that instead of the ore tiles on one side of the conveyor getting emptied first, you'll change the problem to all the ore tiles furthest away from the mine's output getting emptied first. Mathematically, I suspect both result in the same output-over-lifespan.
It is not broken in the sense that it balances the lanes perfectly. What exactly do you mean with stuck items?Miravlix wrote:The underground one is broken as some items get stuck in it, that may be fine in many cases but it still leaves situation where it's bad.
hansinator wrote:I still don't get it ^^ Pictures?Mehve wrote:I believe he means that instead of the ore tiles on one side of the conveyor getting emptied first, you'll change the problem to all the ore tiles furthest away from the mine's output getting emptied first. Mathematically, I suspect both result in the same output-over-lifespan.
With the latter case there's 9 tiles of belt which can now be removed.d4rkpl4y3r wrote:In both cases 6 mines stopped working. So adding a lane balancer there would not change the fundamental problem of unequal miner usage, it just changes the layout.
While true, I suspect that a lane balancer is costlier than those 9 pieces of beltYoyobuae wrote:With the latter case there's 9 tiles of belt which can now be removed.d4rkpl4y3r wrote:In both cases 6 mines stopped working. So adding a lane balancer there would not change the fundamental problem of unequal miner usage, it just changes the layout.
Thank you, now I get itd4rkpl4y3r wrote:While true, I suspect that a lane balancer is costlier than those 9 pieces of beltYoyobuae wrote:With the latter case there's 9 tiles of belt which can now be removed.d4rkpl4y3r wrote:In both cases 6 mines stopped working. So adding a lane balancer there would not change the fundamental problem of unequal miner usage, it just changes the layout.
I was thinking too complex..
welcome to the forums. use this code for posting blueprint strings.janneclaes wrote:i like my mining drills to start and stop as one
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