You are short about 1/4 of your assemblers needed to compress a blue belt.Acarin wrote:Out pops 1 express belt of Electronic Circuits. Did I miss something, however? Is there an issue with this design?
Shokubai wrote:You are short about 1/4 of your assemblers needed to compress a blue belt.Acarin wrote:Out pops 1 express belt of Electronic Circuits. Did I miss something, however? Is there an issue with this design?
IF your goal is to MAX out a blue belt (with no modules)
IIRC you need 16 Green Assy 3s and something like 192 Red Assy 3 (+32 copper cables)
mrvn wrote:I just tried this design in a game and I have two more concerns:
1) blue assemblers? No yellow assemblers yet? it should use Assembler 3s, I hadn't researched them in 0.15 when I created the blueprint. Should have pointed that out, sorry (which is also why it's not producing a full blue belt "as is")
2) You have only one fast inserter going out of the copper assembler. At the start of the game, without inserter bonuses, that leaves the assembler idle. You need 2 fast inserters. Which poses a problem for the middle copper assembler, because there is no place to put a second inserter. Also my fault - if max stack size is researched (i.e. 3 for Fast Inserters), I think it works out even with a single inserter
I like to put 2 electronic circuit assemblers right next to each other and then 3 copper assembler right next to each other as second line so 3 fast inserters can feed each electronic circuit assembler directly. That means weaving the iron plates input through the electronic circuit output with different underground belts or like a snake. I tend to do the snake because you can do that with just yellow underground belts before you have red ones.
Acceptable of course. I'll note a couple things though:Lubricus wrote:Is this variant acceptable
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This variant is totally unacceptable for several reasons.Lubricus wrote:Is this variant acceptable
I do not max it out but i have to feed the monster to.
And how much does a beakon + speed3 modules cost compared to simply building a second set of assemblers?PacifyerGrey wrote:This variant is totally unacceptable for several reasons.Lubricus wrote:Is this variant acceptable
I do not max it out but i have to feed the monster to.
1. In the case of using prod3 modules 1 copper wire assembler is enough for feeding 1 green wire assembler. There is no need doing it 3 to 2. 4 of Prod3 modules make assembler literally produce 40% more so it will be mostly exactly required proportions.
2. Using beacons with speed modules will enormously increase your production as 4 of prod3 modules reduce assembler's speed by 60% and putting a single beacon will add +50% literally doubling your production. And a beacon will definitely cover more that one assembler.
Which brings us back to the option of tunneling the iron plates below the middle copper plant, tunnel again under the power pole between the electronic circuit assembler, then split the iron and turn it around like a fountain to feed into the assembler with a fast inserter each. That still requires the extra height but now you can have the output belt where you have the iron belt, tunneling under the iron plate fountain and feed it fast inserter into the tunnel endpoints. That saves the extra width and allows the electronic circuit belt to be compresses, because inserters can drop items into an underground belt if there is even just a partial hole.Lubricus wrote:Tested limiting the inserters to starting values.
I can't solve the puzzle without adding one extra space or one stack inserter. You need green science for the stack inserter tech, but I think it's possible to live with a slightly throttled design until then. And then switch and remove inserters after the research is done. I also used ASM3 without thinking.
Adding an extra space for the inserter will make the underground belt for the iron line to long for red belts. So then I have to move the iron belt and increase the width to.
You are missing one thing - for those new assemblers you need new prod3 modules. And you need more of them then speed3 modules for beacon that can affect 4-5 assemblers easily and will double their production. And it scales pretty well with main drawback being power - but nuclear plants are pretty good at that. This way you need less prod3 and get more usage of them for more power.mrvn wrote:And how much does a beakon + speed3 modules cost compared to simply building a second set of assemblers?PacifyerGrey wrote:This variant is totally unacceptable for several reasons.Lubricus wrote:Is this variant acceptable
I do not max it out but i have to feed the monster to.
1. In the case of using prod3 modules 1 copper wire assembler is enough for feeding 1 green wire assembler. There is no need doing it 3 to 2. 4 of Prod3 modules make assembler literally produce 40% more so it will be mostly exactly required proportions.
2. Using beacons with speed modules will enormously increase your production as 4 of prod3 modules reduce assembler's speed by 60% and putting a single beacon will add +50% literally doubling your production. And a beacon will definitely cover more that one assembler.
Prod3 modules I get, because you reduce the amount of ore you need to mine. But efficiency modules seem way more expensive than solar pannels and speed modules more expensive than more assembler. But that's just my gut feeling.
1. The Prod3 module will produce 40% more per copper plate not 40% per second so if you want to have 1:1 ratio between Cable assembler and Electronic assembler you should use speed modules on the cable assembler.PacifyerGrey wrote:This variant is totally unacceptable for several reasons.Lubricus wrote:Is this variant acceptable
I do not max it out but i have to feed the monster to.
1. In the case of using prod3 modules 1 copper wire assembler is enough for feeding 1 green wire assembler. There is no need doing it 3 to 2. 4 of Prod3 modules make assembler literally produce 40% more so it will be mostly exactly required proportions.
2. Using beacons with speed modules will enormously increase your production as 4 of prod3 modules reduce assembler's speed by 60% and putting a single beacon will add +50% literally doubling your production. And a beacon will definitely cover more that one assembler.
Sorry you were of course right. The prod3 in the circuit assembly will slow down the Cable demand even more than the crafting speed and mess up the ratios, but with how much?PacifyerGrey wrote:This variant is totally unacceptable for several reasons.Lubricus wrote:Is this variant acceptable
I do not max it out but i have to feed the monster to.
1. In the case of using prod3 modules 1 copper wire assembler is enough for feeding 1 green wire assembler. There is no need doing it 3 to 2. 4 of Prod3 modules make assembler literally produce 40% more so it will be mostly exactly required proportions.
2. Using beacons with speed modules will enormously increase your production as 4 of prod3 modules reduce assembler's speed by 60% and putting a single beacon will add +50% literally doubling your production. And a beacon will definitely cover more that one assembler.
A 1:1 ratio used to be the way to go with prod3+speed3.Lubricus wrote:Sorry you were of course right. The prod3 in the circuit assembly will slow down the Cable demand even more than the crafting speed and mess up the ratios, but with how much?PacifyerGrey wrote:This variant is totally unacceptable for several reasons.Lubricus wrote:Is this variant acceptable
I do not max it out but i have to feed the monster to.
1. In the case of using prod3 modules 1 copper wire assembler is enough for feeding 1 green wire assembler. There is no need doing it 3 to 2. 4 of Prod3 modules make assembler literally produce 40% more so it will be mostly exactly required proportions.
2. Using beacons with speed modules will enormously increase your production as 4 of prod3 modules reduce assembler's speed by 60% and putting a single beacon will add +50% literally doubling your production. And a beacon will definitely cover more that one assembler.
Could something like this work
Koub wrote:I'ts done with Autocad.
And is so much badass : every Factorio player can screenshot Factorio, but not everyone can make an Autocad plan.
Btw : if I had Autocad at work, I could make such plans at work, and still be congratulated by my boss for my hard dedication to my work
