Re: [MOD 0.18] KRASTORIO^2
Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:37 pm
If I want to play with space exploration, should I add AAI Industry? Is it compatible and well balanced?
because inserters chew up your CPU time and loaders do not.
the save file i just tested with 25,000 miniloaders and 25,000 deadlock 1x1 compact loaders. empirical evidence. there is an additional performance regression that i've documented in the 0.18.9 release thread, so that inserters are about 5-10% slower (CPU time) on average since one of their optimisations was reworked.
Please provide the saves and the benchmark results.ptx0 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 4:09 pmthe save file i just tested with 25,000 miniloaders and 25,000 deadlock 1x1 compact loaders. empirical evidence. there is an additional performance regression that i've documented in the 0.18.9 release thread, so that inserters are about 5-10% slower (CPU time) on average since one of their optimisations was reworked.
i already mentioned where you can find the one that indicates inserter performance is now *worse* than it was before.Bilka wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 4:10 pmPlease provide the saves and the benchmark results.ptx0 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 4:09 pmthe save file i just tested with 25,000 miniloaders and 25,000 deadlock 1x1 compact loaders. empirical evidence. there is an additional performance regression that i've documented in the 0.18.9 release thread, so that inserters are about 5-10% slower (CPU time) on average since one of their optimisations was reworked.
Please provide the saves and benchmark results for this:i already mentioned where you can find the one that indicates inserter performance is now *worse* than it was before.
it's a 74MiB save, my connection is 67KiB/s, I cannot upload it for others, but I'm sure you can easily reproduce the results on Windows.
loaders CPU usages with 16,000 loaders butt-to-butt pulling from infinity chest and dumping into infinity chest:ptx0 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 4:14 pmit's a 74MiB save, my connection is 67KiB/s, I cannot upload it for others, but I'm sure you can easily reproduce the results on Windows.
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9.57% factorio [.] std::__introsort_loop<ItemStack*, long, __gnu_cxx::__ops::_Iter_comp_iter<bool (*)(ItemStack const&, ItemStack const&)> >
9.04% factorio [.] ItemStack::swapWithSilent
6.68% factorio [.] ItemStack::clear
5.29% factorio [.] TransportLineManager::update
5.01% factorio [.] InventoryWithBar::sort
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3.96% factorio [.] Chunk::updateEntities
3.43% factorio [.] std::__unguarded_linear_insert<ItemStack*, __gnu_cxx::__ops::_Val_comp_iter<bool (*)(ItemStack const&, ItemStack const&)> >
3.43% factorio [.] ItemStack::sumCounts
2.53% factorio [.] Loader::tryToDropToContainer
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8.42% factorio [.] Inserter::moveHandTo
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The ingame Wiki explains this in the "Creep" section. You have to craft the "Creep collector" item. Then drag it over the creep to mark it for collection.
Not for now, our vision of the mod is something like "be a Factorio DLC", instead destory it, making it unplayable reserved to veteran player, we expand it without remove the all vanilla from the players feeling (how I can see really, very criticized by the community). For that, we have decided to leave the "infinity" techs in the post rocket, changing the name of space science pack in "optimization tech card" because is used to optimization technologies.doc776@gmail.com wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:38 amreally enjoying this, it's not completely different from vanilla like bobangels but feels completely new and exciting!
Took a quick look at post rocket launch science before sleep and I gotta ask: is there no continues research to dump the post rocket research cards after unlocking the last building?
Don't seems strange to me, don't thinking about the entities prototype, one miniloader is composed by something like 3 entities, so is like say that 75'000 entities are slower than 25'000, make sense.
All good and well. I was hoping to see the advanced, matter, singularity tech cards be part of the existing infinity research so that the infrastructure made for those two don't go to waste after obtaining the intergalactic tranceiver. since infini research is mostly for those going big, wouldent be a problem as an option ya?Linver wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:17 amNot for now, our vision of the mod is something like "be a Factorio DLC", instead destory it, making it unplayable reserved to veteran player, we expand it without remove the all vanilla from the players feeling (how I can see really, very criticized by the community). For that, we have decided to leave the "infinity" techs in the post rocket, changing the name of space science pack in "optimization tech card" because is used to optimization technologies.doc776@gmail.com wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:38 amreally enjoying this, it's not completely different from vanilla like bobangels but feels completely new and exciting!
Took a quick look at post rocket launch science before sleep and I gotta ask: is there no continues research to dump the post rocket research cards after unlocking the last building?
Also I think that we will never add new "infinity" techs because Factiorio don't give us enough tool to define inside the game engine new kind of bonuses for technologies.
I'm not sure to have understand the question. The intergalactic transceiver(IT) don't block the game, as vanilla is possible continue after winning, and infinity techs don't help much to achieve victory, infinity techs take time, because u have anyway to unlock the IT and this take time too, reached IT tech the tools provided by the mod is enough to win with a bit of patient and setting, like was for rocket.doc776@gmail.com wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:40 amAll good and well. I was hoping to see the advanced, matter, singularity tech cards be part of the existing infinity research so that the infrastructure made for those two don't go to waste after obtaining the intergalactic tranceiver. since infini research is mostly for those going big, wouldent be a problem as an option ya?
if im understanding what hes saying those tech cards have a limited number of techs they can unlock so once all the techs are researched the tech cards are useless. hes asking for them to be added to some of the already available infinite techs so that they are still needed in some fashion foreverLinver wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:51 amI'm not sure to have understand the question. The intergalactic transceiver(IT) don't block the game, as vanilla is possible continue after winning, and infinity techs don't help much to achieve victory, infinity techs take time, because u have anyway to unlock the IT and this take time too, reached IT tech the tools provided by the mod is enough to win with a bit of patient and setting, like was for rocket.doc776@gmail.com wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:40 amAll good and well. I was hoping to see the advanced, matter, singularity tech cards be part of the existing infinity research so that the infrastructure made for those two don't go to waste after obtaining the intergalactic tranceiver. since infini research is mostly for those going big, wouldent be a problem as an option ya?