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Re: [MOD 0.16] Realistic Reactors
Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:18 pm
by ownlyme
Lol, sounds like you're making a real science out of it
Indeed, a stopped reactor cools down 0.5° per second, but it's usually still connected to the heat pipes so the heat gets constantly lost.
So it's a good practice to not place much more reactors than you'd need in the worst case.
Re: [MOD 0.16] Realistic Reactors
Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:29 pm
by Sorda
We could wait even more though, to get even more power and efficiency!
At 945 to 950C the reactor outputs exactly 80MW at 149% efficiency. Try calculating the fuel cell value and how long it will last yourself, to see if you have grasped how it works by now. Running precisely 8 heat exchangers would allow us to consume all the heat generated and keep the reactor stable.
Sounds pretty good, right? Start the reactor, disable heat exchangers, let it heat to 945, enable heat exchangers, boom, you got yourself a stable 80MW single reactor.
This is all good only on paper. According to all that you wrote, it turns out that you need to play a skipping rope with a reactor, where it will give out power for some time, and for some time not to give it out at all in order to warm up again.
Since the energy stored in the tubes, especially with regard to heat exchangers that are further from the reactor, is not consumed more slowly than the reactor heats up, there will be power drawdowns in the network anyway, isn’t that so?
Re: [MOD 0.16] Realistic Reactors
Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:16 pm
by aka13
Sorda wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:29 pm
We could wait even more though, to get even more power and efficiency!
At 945 to 950C the reactor outputs exactly 80MW at 149% efficiency. Try calculating the fuel cell value and how long it will last yourself, to see if you have grasped how it works by now. Running precisely 8 heat exchangers would allow us to consume all the heat generated and keep the reactor stable.
Sounds pretty good, right? Start the reactor, disable heat exchangers, let it heat to 945, enable heat exchangers, boom, you got yourself a stable 80MW single reactor.
This is all good only on paper. According to all that you wrote, it turns out that you need to play a skipping rope with a reactor, where it will give out power for some time, and for some time not to give it out at all in order to warm up again.
Since the energy stored in the tubes, especially with regard to heat exchangers that are further from the reactor, is not consumed more slowly than the reactor heats up, there will be power drawdowns in the network anyway, isn’t that so?
Boy are you toxic. It's not on paper, it's based on a setup I am running. Try rereading what I wrote and all your questions are gonna answer themselves.
You need to look at the temperature delta, postive or negative, why would you want to turn off the heat exchangers all at the same time? You simply need a balancing system.
Second think I think you try to describe the "inertia" I spoke of. It's simply one additional factor to consider.
Re: [MOD 0.16] Realistic Reactors
Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:25 pm
by ownlyme
Is there anything i could do to deescalate this thread?
Maybe reduce environmental cooling when a reactor is turned off? (its currently a fixed amount (0.5°/s), which is not optimal anyway...)
Re: [MOD 0.16] Realistic Reactors
Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:46 pm
by aka13
ownlyme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:25 pm
Is there anything i could do to deescalate this thread?
Maybe reduce environmental cooling when a reactor is turned off? (its currently a fixed amount (0.5°/s), which is not optimal anyway...)
I am sorry if you perceive this as an eskalation. Was not meant to be one. I am actually very satisfied with the mechanics as they are right now. On top of my head there is no real improvement I would suggest. I always thought int would be fun to see mechanics akin to ic2 with the reactor inventory minigame, but your vision went well beyond that.
Perhaps a power generator with similar mechanics, but for burning normal fuel? Since the steam engines produce so little, you are more or less bound to ditch classical coal/solid fuel burning completely.
Re: [MOD 0.16] Realistic Reactors
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 12:27 am
by Sorda
~~Snip snip, the feeling doctor has come and snipped out something interesting~~
Can you give a blueprint and a screenshot where you can examine your reactor design in more detail?
Re: [MOD 0.16] Realistic Reactors
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 12:40 am
by ownlyme
I think normal burner turbines are still kinda viable as night-supply, emergency power and outpost-power.
Also i don't really have an idea for something more complex that makes sense.
There's still the diesel generator from
https://mods.factorio.com/mod/KS_Power if you're into that sort of thing (i personally changed a few parameters of it for my game, but otherwise its pretty cool)
Re: [MOD 0.16] Realistic Reactors
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:12 pm
by RocketManChronicles
@OwnlyMe
I get the premise of how the heat pipe switch is supposed to work, but maybe I need a small clarification. It obviously is a remodel of the power switch, and operates the same way, I get that. But I noticed it does not "graphically connect" heat pipes to it. So, my assumption is it does connect to any heat pipe adjacent to it (N, S, E, W) and does not transfer the heat to another connected to it (N, S, E, W) while it is open. Am I correct on this? Otherwise, I can see this as an extremely useful object to control the heat transfer to the heat exchangers via the circuit network.
Re: [MOD 0.16] Realistic Reactors
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:13 pm
by Musil
This is a great mod.
One of the best. Really deserves to be in vanilla.
Only shame is we don't have one which would use the game's temperature of fluid property and eliminate the heat pipes. I mean, heat exchangers that would use hot water from the reactor passing through them. Doesn't seem too complicated to write, but maybe there's some sort of snag there.
Well, got confused for five minutes because I confused 'starting' icon with the icon for the 'start reactor' signal, and was wondering why it wasn't starting up.
Re: [MOD 0.16] Realistic Reactors
Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:36 pm
by Musil
There's a small issue with the mod; if you use it together with mods that add items that use the basemod nuclear reactor as ingredient, and have the vanilla reactor disabled so it's easy power generation won't tempt you, the recipes don't work.
To a dip a toe into lua, I wrote a small fix for Rampant Arsenal data-updates to fix this for my use.
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function searchAndFixRecipe(attribute, toReplace, replaceWith,recipeType)
local recipe = attribute
recipeType = recipeType or " "
local recipe_name = recipe.name or recipeType
for _, root in pairs{recipe, recipe.normal, recipe.expensive} do
if type(root) == "table" and root.ingredients then
local ingredients = root.ingredients
for _, ingredient in pairs(ingredients) do
if ingredient.name == toReplace then
ingredient.name = replaceWith
log(serpent.block("Fixed ingredient " .. toReplace .. " in " .. recipe_name .. " recipe type " .. recipeType))
end
end
end
end
end
if mods["RealisticReactors"] then
log(serpent.block("Starting to check for default reactor item in ingredients to replace it with realistic-reactor for compatibility with RealisticReactors"))
for index, recipe in pairs(data.raw.recipe) do
--log(serpent.block("ingredient " .. index))
searchAndFixRecipe(recipe, "nuclear-reactor", "realistic-reactor")
end
end
^^
but I guess it could just run with realistic reactors if the vanilla one is disabled.
Re: [MOD 0.16] Realistic Reactors
Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:04 pm
by Germanfragger
Did someone build a reactor in the region of 2 GJ and can bluepring that?
Re: [MOD 0.16] Realistic Reactors
Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:35 pm
by capthavic
Is there a blueprint for the big reactor setup pictured on the mod page?
Re: [MOD 0.16] Realistic Reactors
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:07 pm
by Blokus
I have been trying to put together my own little realistic reactors blueprint. I decided to use Realistic Reactors Utilities for its heat switch to help me not waste so many fuel cells during warmup. But I encountered an issue where the heat switch seems to transmit heat rather slowly when it is open, so that most of the heat exchangers on the other side of it cannot receive enough heat. I don't really know what causes this. The switch is not flickering, it is just staying put. Sadly I cannot see the statistics of the invisible heat pipe that is created by the mod, so I don't know if it's cold, or hot and failing to transfer heat quickly, or oscillating, or what. Any help?
Re: [MOD 0.16] Realistic Reactors
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:55 pm
by Eximius
Crash when deconstructing/constructing (cut/paste move close by) by bots 4 reactor cores which are touching sides.
Also attaching the reactor setup screenshot.
Seems to be caused by repair turrets deconning too quickly (Repair Turret Mod)
Re: [MOD 0.16] Realistic Reactors
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 12:16 pm
by aka13
Also, on an unrelated note, the MOX fuel is still not working from Plutonnium energy, would you kindly add
"PE-MOX",
to data-final-fixes.lua?
Re: [MOD 0.16] Realistic Reactors
Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2021 4:10 pm
by Jakstar
How can i deinstall this mod and get the old rector in my save world?? pls help ;_;
this mod is too much for me ._.
Re: [MOD 0.16] Realistic Reactors
Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:52 pm
by kirazy
Jakstar wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 4:10 pm
How can i deinstall this mod and get the old rector in my save world?? pls help ;_;
this mod is too much for me ._.
Just turn the mod off in-game. It'll automatically remove all the mod buildings/techs/items from your save when you load.
Re: [MOD 0.16] Realistic Reactors
Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2021 7:04 pm
by Jakstar
kirazy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:52 pm
Jakstar wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 4:10 pm
How can i deinstall this mod and get the old rector in my save world?? pls help ;_;
this mod is too much for me ._.
Just turn the mod off in-game. It'll automatically remove all the mod buildings/techs/items from your save when you load.
but then the vanilla reactor isnt able to craft ;_;
its not in the crafting menu
Re: [MOD 0.16] Realistic Reactors
Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:32 am
by kirazy
Jakstar wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 7:04 pm
kirazy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:52 pm
Jakstar wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 4:10 pm
How can i deinstall this mod and get the old rector in my save world?? pls help ;_;
this mod is too much for me ._.
Just turn the mod off in-game. It'll automatically remove all the mod buildings/techs/items from your save when you load.
but then the vanilla reactor isnt able to craft ;_;
its not in the crafting menu
Probably need to use a command to re-research the related technology so that the recipe is unlocked.
https://wiki.factorio.com/Console#Resea ... chnologies
Edit: Specifically:
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/c game.player.force.technologies["nuclear-power"].researched = false
followed by
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/c game.player.force.technologies["nuclear-power"].researched = true
This will disable achievements.
Re: [MOD 0.16] Realistic Reactors
Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:32 am
by Inch
Hey Guys,
is it possible to use "Bob's Power" with "Realistic Reactors"?
I cant build cooling towers and other Stuff. I already tried to disable nuclears in bob's but it didn't help.