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Re: [MOD 0.15] AAI Industry
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:27 am
by Light
slippycheeze wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:21 pm
WkdPanda wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:07 pm
Question on power output/efficiencies. The burner turbine is a first step for power. But It seems to output more then a steam boiler+2 steam engines?
Was looking at the play-through Xterm is doing, and he is only using the burner turbines instead of moving to steam.
Pollution output is much higher, which means more resources spent on biters, to balance that out?
It's actually less pollution now, though the old balance not only had high pollution but it was 50% fuel efficient which is what the tooltip formerly meant by inefficient.
That's no longer the case however, as it's now 95% fuel efficient which makes the burner turbine the superior choice for a smaller footprint (Also no pump or pipes needed) and just a sixth of the pollution at just 5% additional fuel usage.
It needs at minimum an 80% fuel efficiency to balance that out without totally discouraging its use. A lower pollution burner that eats a little more fuel is more appealing for small outposts and backup power systems (A burner accumulator), while the lower efficiency makes it unappealing as the primary source which naturally demands more turbines/fuel to satisfy higher power requirements.
That's how I'd balance it to maintain relevance late game without it being complete trash or overpowered anyhow. Although, that also sounds good for space exploration due to no water usage and being dirt cheap compared to panels, even with a reduced efficiency rate.
Re: [MOD 0.15] AAI Industry
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:20 pm
by slippycheeze
Light wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:27 am
slippycheeze wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:21 pm
WkdPanda wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:07 pm
Question on power output/efficiencies. The burner turbine is a first step for power. But It seems to output more then a steam boiler+2 steam engines?
Was looking at the play-through Xterm is doing, and he is only using the burner turbines instead of moving to steam.
Pollution output is much higher, which means more resources spent on biters, to balance that out?
It's actually less pollution now, though the old balance not only had high pollution but it was 50% fuel efficient which is what the tooltip formerly meant by inefficient.
That's no longer the case however, as it's now 95% fuel efficient which makes the burner turbine the superior choice for a smaller footprint (Also no pump or pipes needed) and just a sixth of the pollution at just 5% additional fuel usage.
It needs at minimum an 80% fuel efficiency to balance that out without totally discouraging its use. A lower pollution burner that eats a little more fuel is more appealing for small outposts and backup power systems (A burner accumulator), while the lower efficiency makes it unappealing as the primary source which naturally demands more turbines/fuel to satisfy higher power requirements.
That's how I'd balance it to maintain relevance late game without it being complete trash or overpowered anyhow. Although, that also sounds good for space exploration due to no water usage and being dirt cheap compared to panels, even with a reduced efficiency rate.
Welp. I did that math wrong, and I regret my non-burner-turbine life choices way back at the start of this map
In light of my new understanding, I agree with you entirely.
Re: [MOD 0.15] AAI Industry
Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:21 pm
by PerryBot455
I keep getting an error message reading "Failed to load mod "AAI-Industries": mod aai industries dependency (?) angels refining not matching pattern *[?!] ModName [ModVersion Specifier]. Is there anyway to fix this?
Re: [MOD 0.15] AAI Industry
Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:57 pm
by MrFactorio
Hi Earendel,
I discovered a bug:
The spiked concrete walls are indestructable with the tank (and maybe other weapons). YOu can damage it but when it would only withstand one last hit, the wall does not get any more damage. This is very bad in multiplayer.
Maybe you can fix it?
Workflow to test it:
- Start game
- activate cheat
- spawn tank and cannon shells (explosive or normal)
- place some spiked conrete walls (not the normal concrete)
- try to destroy the wall
The rest of your work is superb btw!
Love your vehicles and that you can control them like in an RTS game!!!
Re: [MOD 0.15] AAI Industry
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:28 pm
by Proph3t3ss
Hello mates,
An issue i am encountering when using AAI Industry in conjuction with Pyrawores mod:
- Factorio - Error.jpg (59.83 KiB) Viewed 6401 times
Any sort of help would be greatly associated.
Best regards,
Dan
Re: [MOD 0.15] AAI Industry
Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:05 am
by kingarthur
Proph3t3ss wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:28 pm
Hello mates,
An issue i am encountering when using AAI Industry in conjuction with Pyrawores mod:
Factorio - Error.jpg
Any sort of help would be greatly associated.
Best regards,
Dan
you need pycoaltbaa to fix that and a few other issues.
https://mods.factorio.com/mod/PyCoalTBaA.
Re: [MOD 0.15] AAI Industry
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:37 pm
by BlueTemplar
Light wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:27 am
slippycheeze wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:21 pm
WkdPanda wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:07 pm
Question on power output/efficiencies. The burner turbine is a first step for power. But It seems to output more then a steam boiler+2 steam engines?
Was looking at the play-through Xterm is doing, and he is only using the burner turbines instead of moving to steam.
Pollution output is much higher, which means more resources spent on biters, to balance that out?
It's actually less pollution now, though the old balance not only had high pollution but it was 50% fuel efficient which is what the tooltip formerly meant by inefficient.
That's no longer the case however, as it's now 95% fuel efficient which makes the burner turbine the superior choice for a smaller footprint (Also no pump or pipes needed) and just a sixth of the pollution at just 5% additional fuel usage.
It needs at minimum an 80% fuel efficiency to balance that out without totally discouraging its use. A lower pollution burner that eats a little more fuel is more appealing for small outposts and backup power systems (A burner accumulator), while the lower efficiency makes it unappealing as the primary source which naturally demands more turbines/fuel to satisfy higher power requirements.
That's how I'd balance it to maintain relevance late game without it being complete trash or overpowered anyhow. Although, that also sounds good for space exploration due to no water usage and being dirt cheap compared to panels, even with a reduced efficiency rate.
Yeah, same here, have Burner Turbine Generator and
Mining Vehicles really been updated to post-0.17.12 pollution values ?? Or should they emit 60 times what they do now ?
This is quite important, as boilers and miners are what usually tends to pollute the most in bases !
(BTW, I'd prefer to see mods like these to change vanilla boiler efficiency back to its 50% value, like in 0.16 : can't improve on 100% efficiency, unless you want to go over 100%, which is non-physical, and can result in "free energy" infinite loops...)
Re: [MOD 0.15] AAI Industry
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:19 am
by ryonez
How is the burner turbine generator meant to work? It looks like it just glitches out. It also has no input/outputs.
Re: [MOD 0.15] AAI Industry
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:44 am
by BlueTemplar
Just directly place a power pole in range and supply it with fuel !
Re: [MOD 0.15] AAI Industry
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:11 am
by Mecejide
Uranium processing should have electric mining as a prerequisite.
Re: [MOD 0.15] AAI Industry
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:02 pm
by alercah
Burner turbine generator is either bugged or not showing the right tooltip information in 0.18.3: it generates steam, not electricity!
Re: [MOD 0.15] AAI Industry
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:13 am
by mrvn
alercah wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:02 pm
Burner turbine generator is either bugged or not showing the right tooltip information in 0.18.3: it generates steam, not electricity!
No, actually it generates steam and dumps that in a steam engine. You just can't see it.
My guess is the part that is visible is the part generating the steam and the electricity bit is hidden so you get the wrong tooltip.
Re: [MOD 0.15] AAI Industry
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:53 pm
by alercah
Ahh! That must be it!
Now that boilers are supported natively (thanks Bob!), there's no need for this complexity. Hope that can get pulled out!
Re: [MOD 0.15] AAI Industry
Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:53 am
by jamiechi1
Without any other mods, AAI Industry disables the Yellow belt with no way to research it.
Re: [MOD 0.15] AAI Industry
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:28 am
by astroshak
jamiechi1 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:53 am
Without any other mods, AAI Industry disables the Yellow belt with no way to research it.
Version 0.4.4 of AAI Industry has a Basic Logistics tech that teaches you the yellow belt.
As did 0.4.2. Are you running the most up to date version of the mod?
Re: [MOD 0.15] AAI Industry
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:25 pm
by jamiechi1
Yes I was using the latest. version 0.4.4
In technology-update.lua, by commenting the following code (after line 27) I was able to get it to work.
Code: Select all
util.tech_lock_recipes("basic-logistics",
{
"transport-belt"
}
)
I looked at the rest of the code and couldn't find where it was re-enabled.
It seems the recipe should have been enabled when logistics was researched. But it wasn't.
Re: [MOD 0.15] AAI Industry
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:34 pm
by fishycat
You are giving one a hard time reporting a bug... in mod-portal you don't want, ok I tried Discord - to post a bug there you want my phone number first??
Oh well, it is for Jetpack mod:
Re: [MOD 0.15] AAI Industry
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:52 am
by fishycat
Still getting the error in 0.1.9. I let you my save here. Just load it and press J. Autosave happened while in air. Also worth noting, mod got added to an existing save.
Edit: version 0.1.11 fixed my problem. Thank you!
Re: [MOD 0.15] AAI Industry
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:42 pm
by gauron
Im not sure but i think i ran into a problem. Im early in the game and i need steam to progress so i built some burner turbine generators but theres no pipe connection to it and it doesnt seem to distribute in any way that steam.
Am i missing something here?
Re: [MOD 0.15] AAI Industry
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:08 am
by fishycat
Me again
There is a startup-warning for Jetpack mod.
41.596 Warning! Sprite at {0,0; 64x64} from __jetpack__/graphics/icons/jetpack-1.png is defined with 4 mipmap levels, but level 1 is expected to be at {64,0; 32x32} which is out of bounds of the source image.
41.596 Warning! Sprite at {0,0; 64x64} from __jetpack__/graphics/icons/jetpack-2.png is defined with 4 mipmap levels, but level 1 is expected to be at {64,0; 32x32} which is out of bounds of the source image.
41.596 Warning! Sprite at {0,0; 64x64} from __jetpack__/graphics/icons/jetpack-3.png is defined with 4 mipmap levels, but level 1 is expected to be at {64,0; 32x32} which is out of bounds of the source image.
41.597 Warning! Sprite at {0,0; 64x64} from __jetpack__/graphics/icons/jetpack-4.png is defined with 4 mipmap levels, but level 1 is expected to be at {64,0; 32x32} which is out of bounds of the source image.
After adding:
in /prototypes/phase1/jetpack.lua, warning is gone.