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Re: [MOD 0.16.36] Robot Army. v0.3.8

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:38 pm
by kyranzor
Parmsib wrote:Great mod, should make the most (and only, really) tedious part of the game automatable, like the rest of it.

However, we're currently playing with Bob's enemies, and are having troubles with explosive spitters and worms absolutely destroying the robot armies.
Other types of enemies (anything but explosive) don't pose nearly as much a threat.
We haven't built any Terminators yet, though.

Is this mod supposed to be 'balanced' with Bob's Enemies, and Terminators will solve this issue,
or are the enemies in that mod just too strong for the robots?
There is no real 'balancing' in the mod. The default balance is pretty reasonable for vanilla enemies and costs and scale with technology vs "expected" biter evolution. The problem is, every person's situation is different and eventually either the biter % evolution and difficulty gets too hard for the robots, or the robots totally destroy everything and have no problem. IT is a little bit of a self-limiting system, because if your robots are going out and destroying everything then biter evo % goes up very quickly and soon the biters will start winning battles.

Bob's enemies DEFINITELY make it harder, especially as you say the special enemies attacks which the robots are weak against (less resistance to damage types).

Try using more Rocket Droids to land one-hit-kills as much as you can. Otherwise, if you want to you can go into the mod folder "config" and edit the config.lua file, and make the "HEALTH SCALAR" and "DAMAGE SCALAR" to bigger numbers than 1.0. For example, 1.5 in health and damage will make them 50% more health and 50% more damage (base damage, no upgrades).

Re: [MOD 0.16.36] Robot Army. v0.3.8

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:00 am
by Parmsib
kyranzor wrote:
Parmsib wrote:Great mod, should make the most (and only, really) tedious part of the game automatable, like the rest of it.

However, we're currently playing with Bob's enemies, and are having troubles with explosive spitters and worms absolutely destroying the robot armies.
Other types of enemies (anything but explosive) don't pose nearly as much a threat.
We haven't built any Terminators yet, though.

Is this mod supposed to be 'balanced' with Bob's Enemies, and Terminators will solve this issue,
or are the enemies in that mod just too strong for the robots?
There is no real 'balancing' in the mod. The default balance is pretty reasonable for vanilla enemies and costs and scale with technology vs "expected" biter evolution. The problem is, every person's situation is different and eventually either the biter % evolution and difficulty gets too hard for the robots, or the robots totally destroy everything and have no problem. IT is a little bit of a self-limiting system, because if your robots are going out and destroying everything then biter evo % goes up very quickly and soon the biters will start winning battles.

Bob's enemies DEFINITELY make it harder, especially as you say the special enemies attacks which the robots are weak against (less resistance to damage types).

Try using more Rocket Droids to land one-hit-kills as much as you can. Otherwise, if you want to you can go into the mod folder "config" and edit the config.lua file, and make the "HEALTH SCALAR" and "DAMAGE SCALAR" to bigger numbers than 1.0. For example, 1.5 in health and damage will make them 50% more health and 50% more damage (base damage, no upgrades).
Okay, will try that. Thanks!

Re: [MOD 0.16.36] Robot Army. v0.3.8

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:05 pm
by Zemekis
I have a question regarding droid count: Is it possible to also count local squad sizes instead of the global droid count?

Reason: I want to advance on 4 fronts (north, south, east west) individually. I have hence 4 Droid Assemblers in each direction. I want to replace destroyed droids for a specific assembler so when survivors return, the squad is ready to go hunting again. A global count could produce new droids in any of the 4 assemblers randomly.

Re: [MOD 0.16.36] Robot Army. v0.3.8

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:54 am
by thaflya
Does this mod work in 0.17? If not, is there any chance it will be updated?

This is one of the most important mods for me, would be sad if it is dead.

Re: [MOD 0.16.36] Robot Army. v0.3.8

Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:45 pm
by brokenshakles
This seems interesting, would be a nice compliment to AAI if compatible. I too vote for a 0.17 update.

Re: [MOD 0.16.36] Robot Army. v0.3.8

Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:42 am
by kyranzor
I will be updating the mod to work with 0.17 as soon as I can, I'm on holiday and don't have very good internet connection in rural Australia right now but I should be able to make some progress (starting with actually getting 0.17 installed) on Sunday.

Re: [MOD 0.16.36] Robot Army. v0.3.8

Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:36 am
by kyranzor
Alright everyone,

I have just put a version 0.4.0 up on the mod portal for those of you who want the mod to work without any significant changes for 0.17.

This will tide you over until I have some more time to make the improvements I want to for 0.17 now that I have lots of nice juicy new unit AI options and some minor gameplay mechanic changes to how Robot Army works.

The only changes for this version from 0.3.8 are:
- the robot counter and settings modules are now unlocked with military 1 tech, rather than Electronics.

The rest of the code changes were small and were just changed names or removing un-used flags for 0.17.

Re: [MOD 0.17.04] Robot Army. v0.4.0

Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 5:00 pm
by brokenshakles
Neat! I look forward to using this, but I would recommend you consider integration/compatibility with Advanced Autonomous Industries (If that guy ever comes back and updates his stuff) since it offers a way to control the robot-armies RTS style (Auto-hunt-kill is not really my style, I want to command). Not to mention some additional craftables that can be used to make building minions more challenging/interesting.

Re: [MOD 0.17.04] Robot Army. v0.4.0

Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:39 pm
by kyranzor
brokenshakles wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 5:00 pm
Neat! I look forward to using this, but I would recommend you consider integration/compatibility with Advanced Autonomous Industries (If that guy ever comes back and updates his stuff) since it offers a way to control the robot-armies RTS style (Auto-hunt-kill is not really my style, I want to command). Not to mention some additional craftables that can be used to make building minions more challenging/interesting.
I will not do AAI integration, it's too much work.

If you don't like automatic hunting and killing then set hunt radius to 1 with the settings module.

You can select and command your squads with the droid selection tool. You can even command them from the map view (once zoomed in enough to see the world view)

Re: [MOD 0.17.04] Robot Army. v0.4.0

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:12 am
by brokenshakles
Ah, well the selection tool was the bit I really cared about anyway (alongside alternate cost for producing them, but that is a truly minor point) so it should be just as good.

Re: [MOD 0.17.04] Robot Army. v0.4.0

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:30 pm
by kyranzor
Mod has been updated to 0.4.1:

changes from 0.4.0 to 0.4.1:
- Adding Unit Control as an optional dependency for the mod - if detected as active, it disables the automatic squad control so the player has full freedom to command the units with the Unit Control mod GUI and tool instead.
- disabled the acid fire per-tick damage from worms and spitters, to help restore balance. it was too OP.
- fixed script error (needs confirmation) when deselecting a squad after some time has passed
- fixed script error trying to spawn/change units to an enemy force (needs confirmation) - they will be killed if they try to join a lua unitgroup whose force isn't the same as theirs. This is a temporary fix.
need better way of handling squads anyway, need to think about this case while doing that code re-work.
- bug fix for when trying to pick up droids with the pickup tool, if your inventory is full they were disappearing (no items returned, but droids removed).

Please get it from the mod portal. https://mods.factorio.com/mod/robotarmy/downloads

Re: [MOD 0.17.04] Robot Army. v0.4.1

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:35 am
by Qon
I installed Unit Control immediately when I heard it was going to be used, in anticipation of this patch :)

Re: [MOD 0.17.04] Robot Army. v0.4.1

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:46 am
by Qon
Unit Control is Active! Please use Unit Control selection and command method. Automated behaviour disabled.
Does that mean that I can't have them automatically hunt down nests any more? Not sure how Unit Control works and there's no documentation on Unit Control on Klonan's page or on the RA wiki page. I like being able to easily manually order them around, but I don't want to lose the ability to have them going on a murder spree without me having to do anything.

Re: [MOD 0.17.04] Robot Army. v0.4.1

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:11 pm
by kyranzor
Yes, you are right, the squad AI and automatic hunting is turned off when Unit Control mod is used. If you are okay with using the Robot Army selection tool for commanding squads and want the automatic hunting then you should disable the Unit Control mod.

At least until I get a better way of integration.

I can try to make a simple tutorial on how the Unit Control mod works to help people, it is a bit hard at first to get it going and you are right, there's hardly any documentation by Klonan on actual usage.

Re: [MOD 0.17.04] Robot Army. v0.4.1

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:19 pm
by Klonan
Qon wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:46 am
Not sure how Unit Control works and there's no documentation on Unit Control on Klonan's page
I have added some documentation now:

https://mods.factorio.com/mod/Unit_Control/faq

Re: [MOD 0.17.04] Robot Army. v0.4.1

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:41 pm
by Qon
Thank you Klonan :)

Re: [MOD 0.17.04] Robot Army. v0.4.1

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:02 pm
by kyranzor
Klonan wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:19 pm
Qon wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:46 am
Not sure how Unit Control works and there's no documentation on Unit Control on Klonan's page
I have added some documentation now:

https://mods.factorio.com/mod/Unit_Control/faq
haha wow, thanks Klonan!