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WoodyDaOcas wrote:Thanks, awesome idea!
Here come's the "but":
bit easy to acquire I would say Artifacts are abundant, how about some energy usage, and I mean tremendous power requirements, internal capacitors, ie. "charge up" time.
Thoughts ?

BigD145 wrote:As it's a teleporter I'd like to see a distance factor in the power requirements but whatever you do it should run in the tens of megawatts.

BigD145 wrote:As it's a teleporter I'd like to see a distance factor in the power requirements but whatever you do it should run in the tens of megawatts.

Peter34 wrote:

BigD145 wrote:As it's a teleporter I'd like to see a distance factor in the power requirements but whatever you do it should run in the tens of megawatts.

Actually no, I don't think power usage for a teleporter makes any sense. Rather, it should be energy usage. And energy is measured in joules, not in watt.

Other than that, though, I agree very strongly. I like mods that add more variety to the game, but sadly many mods are cheesy, or in some cases ultra-cheesy, in that they vastly improve or increase the capabilities of the player character for very little cost, thereby completely screwing over any game balance that the vanilla game actually has.

One of the principles of good mod design, probably the primary one, is that all good tings must come at a high cost. In this case there are several options:
1. High cost to build.
2. Energy cost to use.
3. Power cost to have (Drain - per Link).
4. Time to use/between uses (comes naturally if the item needs to recharge internal energy stores, and if it then has a limit to how quickly it can recharge, similar to Accumulators).

orzelek wrote:I'd recommend looking at accumulator type of entities.

You can give them big buffer to slowly charge and then consume some energy for the teleport when executing the action.

This also opens possibility of teleport upgrades (bigger buffer and/or faster charging) that would allow for higher range or more frequent teleports.

orzelek wrote:I'd recommend looking at accumulator type of entities.

You can give them big buffer to slowly charge and then consume some energy for the teleport when executing the action.

This also opens possibility of teleport upgrades (bigger buffer and/or faster charging) that would allow for higher range or more frequent teleports.

Peter34 wrote:

BigD145 wrote:As it's a teleporter I'd like to see a distance factor in the power requirements but whatever you do it should run in the tens of megawatts.

Actually no, I don't think power usage for a teleporter makes any sense. Rather, it should be energy usage. And energy is measured in joules, not in watt.

Other than that, though, I agree very strongly. I like mods that add more variety to the game, but sadly many mods are cheesy, or in some cases ultra-cheesy, in that they vastly improve or increase the capabilities of the player character for very little cost, thereby completely screwing over any game balance that the vanilla game actually has.

One of the principles of good mod design, probably the primary one, is that all good tings must come at a high cost. In this case there are several options:
1. High cost to build.
2. Energy cost to use.
3. Power cost to have (Drain - per Link).
4. Time to use/between uses (comes naturally if the item needs to recharge internal energy stores, and if it then has a limit to how quickly it can recharge, similar to Accumulators).

WoodyDaOcas wrote:Thanks, awesome idea!
Here come's the "but":
bit easy to acquire I would say Artifacts are abundant, how about some energy usage, and I mean tremendous power requirements, internal capacitors, ie. "charge up" time.
Thoughts ?

WoodyDaOcas wrote:Wow, that was fast thanks for that, also for feedback from others..
As far as the energy values.. ( and yes, for it to use wattage as a value, it would have to be kept open(~wormhole?: ), to consume an energy "at this rate" : ) I would like to ask others for help..
But in the meantime: could you please say, what are the values for charging, too ? Also, about settings for priority, if it could be set to primary network, secondary and so on (at least as I know it from, say.. Factorio)
long story short, I don't want teleporter to charge if there's not enough power to run a base for instance
Thanks for the enthusiasm

    energy_source =
    {
      type = "electric",
      buffer_capacity = "5MJ",
      usage_priority = "terciary",
      input_flow_limit = "300kW",
      output_flow_limit = "0W"
    },

WoodyDaOcas wrote:omg, I am sorry.. First, I said "as I know from Factorio", lol, I meant "DyTech".. hhh and second of all, I was merely referring to someone's post on the first page, when he was talking about ..let's not use Watts, let's use Joules.. and I am like yes, for one time teleport (what you have done.. ) it's obvious, yes, please let's do that (and you did) but to be able to "use the watts as a values" it would have to be an entity, that would consume energy continuously, not that I would like it to work like that, sorry ) Unnecessary confusion, sorry for that..
I like it how it is now, thanks. I would just wait for more ideas for balancing the values
Peace

WoodyDaOcas wrote:well, I guess it's "decided"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjCRUvX2D0E

Currently after a long time /played I got a capacitor with volume 3.something GJ, and according to a video.. it would be a nice touch to make it 1.21GJ as.. I don't know what, really, max capacity ? (edit: that's nonsense that's too low ) But I guess you also need to come up with some formula for energy usage according to distance. I have couple screens wide base, going from one end to another should be cheap~ish, to make me wanna use it, if I am in need, but if there's no rush, so that I would rather go on foot.. I have modular armor with like 8 speed leg modules w/e it's called now.
Looking on my battery of 600 solar panels, producing 200kW each, that's some 120MW, which would charge this in 10 seconds, I suppose it would be appropriate to make it like .. 30 ? Would be like too cheap, to go from one end to another, then immediately back..
So Iam thinking: hard cooldown of 10 seconds, to literally let the pad cool down a bit. Cap the charging speed, so that even if you have enough power in the grid, it's not charged instantly, it should take at least I dunno.. 10-20 seconds ? (I am thinking some graphic, like 4 stages to illustrate the charge level : ) (none-empty, charging, ready to use.. something in between, maybe 5 total) and to try to wrap this up.. going from one end to the other (of the base) should be easy, so I dunno, max zoom out, 3 screens ~1GJ, going from the base to some further base should be like 10 at least.. I would be totally fine to not be able to afford it at the moment, (ie. my nooby play of dytech, max power during the day ~400MW), to let it charge like.. minutes ?
Makes any sense ? Thoughts ? Ty

edit: ore ? Nope, sorry..should be like hundreds(if not thousand?) of alien artifacts to construct one pad. We're not that far in the future with Factorio world, making space rockets.. this is still almost the magic level, so to pump this stuff with artifacts should be appropriate, if not needed.

iUltimateLP wrote:Okey, I did some power consuming now, what value you would think is good for cost? My current, very weak setting is that the Teleporter has a energy buffer from 5MJ and one teleport costs 2.5MJ at the start teleporter. What energy values you think a good?