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billbo99 wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:39 am

What happens to the walls if someone uses cliff explosives ?

mrvn wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:26 pm

Since I had problems of finding any Crotinium or Jivolite in the mazes I've looked some more into the resource setup.

Resources have an autoplace table that has some entries the RibbonMaze should consider. The exact maths is described in the wiki so here just some remarks. First the coverage field gives the fraction of tiles in the map that should have that resource. That pretty much directly translates into a probability for each resource. It also holds the amount of the ore that should be present in the starting area. The existence of that field could be used to include resources in the mixed fields and to make sure the maze has them in the starting area. The amount could be used to set probabilities for the mixed fields and then the richness could be scaled to get the listed amounts.

Would you be opposed to ripping out the existing resource handling and replacing it with one based on the autoplace settings the resource provides? That way it would simply work with any mod in the proportions the mod author intended.

local function guessAvoidStartingArea(resource)
    local prototype = game.entity_prototypes[resource]
    if prototype and prototype.autoplace_specification and prototype.autoplace_specification.peaks then
        -- look for a peak that reduces the influence in the starting area (as done with uranium, and certain angel's ores):
        for _,v in ipairs(prototype.autoplace_specification.peaks) do
            if v.influence and v.starting_area_weight_optimal and v.influence <= -1 and v.starting_area_weight_optimal == 1 then
                return true
            end
        end
    end
    return false
end

H8UL wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:23 am

Interesting stuff with the new maze styles, glad to see this has provoked discussion.

mrvn wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:26 pm

Since I had problems of finding any Crotinium or Jivolite in the mazes I've looked some more into the resource setup.

Resources have an autoplace table that has some entries the RibbonMaze should consider. The exact maths is described in the wiki so here just some remarks. First the coverage field gives the fraction of tiles in the map that should have that resource. That pretty much directly translates into a probability for each resource. It also holds the amount of the ore that should be present in the starting area. The existence of that field could be used to include resources in the mixed fields and to make sure the maze has them in the starting area. The amount could be used to set probabilities for the mixed fields and then the richness could be scaled to get the listed amounts.

Would you be opposed to ripping out the existing resource handling and replacing it with one based on the autoplace settings the resource provides? That way it would simply work with any mod in the proportions the mod author intended.

Trust me, I've already tried that route, unfortunately most of that information isn't available at the control stage. Here's my mod interface request relating to it: viewtopic.php?f=28&t=63786

I already do take into account what should and shouldn't be in the starting area using a bit of trickery:

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local function guessAvoidStartingArea(resource)
    local prototype = game.entity_prototypes[resource]
    if prototype and prototype.autoplace_specification and prototype.autoplace_specification.peaks then
        -- look for a peak that reduces the influence in the starting area (as done with uranium, and certain angel's ores):
        for _,v in ipairs(prototype.autoplace_specification.peaks) do
            if v.influence and v.starting_area_weight_optimal and v.influence <= -1 and v.starting_area_weight_optimal == 1 then
                return true
            end
        end
    end
    return false
end

To reiterate what I said in my previous reply, to balance Crotinium and Jivolite, I will make it available at shorter corridor lengths (minimum 4, instead of 6). Hopefully won't be too long before a new release.

mrvn wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:39 pm

I started a map with width 1000 and look where the "nearest" oil ended up:

wide-maze.png

Maybe the first oil patch should check both X and Y distance. Just being in the first few rows isn't helping as much as one might think.

torne wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:40 pm

Many thanks for creating this mod - I've found the challenge of building a factory in a default-settings (1 chunk wide) ribbon maze really interesting, forcing me to rethink how to design everything. One part I've found especially tricky in a positive way is that any "module" of factory I design that takes up more than a couple of chunks is unlikely to fit into many different places in the maze, and so it's necessary to either break stuff down into very small parts that can be connected around corners, or to build a lot of unique parts - as an example my current 104spm research station is roughly F-shaped and so if I want to just blueprint it and slap down another one I have to find another part of the maze the same shape

I'll be posting pics once I get to the end

mrvn wrote: ↑

Mon May 06, 2019 9:58 am

The problem with building the maze in a ring is that people don't explore that way. Instead they go in one direction. And then you have to generate the full ring even though only one chunk on one side is needed. The further the player goes the larger the ring gets and generating it will take longer and longer and waste more and more memory.

You have to build something that only generated the labyrinth locally, where you need it.