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Exasperation wrote:

aklesey1 wrote:Waiting for changing in Processing mod, Refinering mod was updated as can saw
Waste water with big amount of sulfur is still big problem if i don't want to use clarifier

And question

Bob mod's have recipe for sulfuric acid:
5 sulfur + 5 oxygen = 5 sulfuric dioxide (strange - why its dioxide (!!!) not monooxide - if we want exactly dioxide we need 10 oxygen not 5 oxygen, right? )
And Petrochem mod have recipe:
1 sulfur + 5 oxygen = 5 sulfuric dioxide


Can someone explain to me which recipie is right, because recipe from Petrochem mod looks like impossible from the point of view of chemical reactions, may Arch666Angel can did mistake?

Neither recipe is right, or wrong for that matter. The game (wisely, I would say) does not include standardized units for its ingredients. If you assume they're measured by mass, that leads to different ratios than if they're measured by volume (presumably at standard temperature and pressure), which leads to different ratios than if they're measured in moles. And even if you've decided that everything should be measured in a particular way (let's say in kilograms for the sake of argument), there is still no indication that an arbitrary unit of Oxygen is the same number of kilograms as an arbitrary unit of Sulfur. So whoever makes the recipes can decide on the ratios for game balance reasons rather than realism reasons, because there is no way to measure how realistic a ratio is. Angel has simply decided that a unit of Sulfur is 5 times as much as Bob did. If it bothers you, just assume that the process in the Bob's recipe is less efficient, and wastes 80% of the Sulfur input as unwanted byproducts (released as pollution). Or if you want to expend the effort, you can just write a simple mini-mod to override one recipe to match the other (whichever way around you feel is better).

Exasperation wrote:

aklesey1 wrote:Waiting for changing in Processing mod, Refinering mod was updated as can saw
Waste water with big amount of sulfur is still big problem if i don't want to use clarifier

And question

Bob mod's have recipe for sulfuric acid:
5 sulfur + 5 oxygen = 5 sulfuric dioxide (strange - why its dioxide (!!!) not monooxide - if we want exactly dioxide we need 10 oxygen not 5 oxygen, right? )
And Petrochem mod have recipe:
1 sulfur + 5 oxygen = 5 sulfuric dioxide


Can someone explain to me which recipie is right, because recipe from Petrochem mod looks like impossible from the point of view of chemical reactions, may Arch666Angel can did mistake?

Neither recipe is right, or wrong for that matter. The game (wisely, I would say) does not include standardized units for its ingredients. If you assume they're measured by mass, that leads to different ratios than if they're measured by volume (presumably at standard temperature and pressure), which leads to different ratios than if they're measured in moles. And even if you've decided that everything should be measured in a particular way (let's say in kilograms for the sake of argument), there is still no indication that an arbitrary unit of Oxygen is the same number of kilograms as an arbitrary unit of Sulfur. So whoever makes the recipes can decide on the ratios for game balance reasons rather than realism reasons, because there is no way to measure how realistic a ratio is. Angel has simply decided that a unit of Sulfur is 5 times as much as Bob did. If it bothers you, just assume that the process in the Bob's recipe is less efficient, and wastes 80% of the Sulfur input as unwanted byproducts (released as pollution). Or if you want to expend the effort, you can just write a simple mini-mod to override one recipe to match the other (whichever way around you feel is better).

Arch666Angel wrote: With regular resources the miner sums up the amount of ore the miner has in its area, but the miner will only mine one random tile at a time. With infinite resources the game does the same, so it sums up the yield of the tiles the miner is placed up on, but will only mine one random tile at a time, so the displayed yield is more than misleading. As far as I understand the whole mechanic when the yield drops below 100% you get a chance to produce an ore each time the miner cycles. So with 50% yield you have a 50% chance to get an ore. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

iceman_1212 wrote: I have one other question - I feel a bit silly asking as it seems so basic - how do I get access to Ore Refinery 3? I see that such a building exists because it shows up as an item that can be filtered by the filter inserter but I have yet to see it in the tech tree. And I'm almost through the tech tree atm =/ (finishing up ion cannon research atm, after which only logistics tech left, and i don't plan to do research that for this particular run )

iceman_1212 wrote:

Arch666Angel wrote: With regular resources the miner sums up the amount of ore the miner has in its area, but the miner will only mine one random tile at a time. With infinite resources the game does the same, so it sums up the yield of the tiles the miner is placed up on, but will only mine one random tile at a time, so the displayed yield is more than misleading. As far as I understand the whole mechanic when the yield drops below 100% you get a chance to produce an ore each time the miner cycles. So with 50% yield you have a 50% chance to get an ore. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Ah, okay! This is very helpful. So it sounds like way to calculate the expected ore per sec of a drill's coverage area would be to multiply each covered ore tile's rate with its yield, sum these across all covered tiles, and divide by the total number of ore tiles to arrive at the expected base rate (since we can only mine from one ore tile at a time - which is the key piece of info). We can then apply the drill's mining stats to this figure to get to the realized in-game rate. Not that I will be doing this in-game ofc but it is very useful to understand how stuff works under the hood. Suffice it to say that bob's regular mining drills are FAR superior to bob's large area mining drills when a deposit has only infinite ore tiles left

Thank you for the quick response, much appreciated

I have one other question - I feel a bit silly asking as it seems so basic - how do I get access to Ore Refinery 3? I see that such a building exists because it shows up as an item that can be filtered by the filter inserter but I have yet to see it in the tech tree. And I'm almost through the tech tree atm =/ (finishing up ion cannon research atm, after which only logistics tech left, and i don't plan to do research that for this particular run )

Nexela wrote:If anyone is interested I have posted a pre-release of Omnibarrels expanded with BobsMods/Petrochem enhanments
for details see viewtopic.php?f=51&t=32683

Changelog
---0.3.1
-replaced water in bob chemical recipes with purified water
-added some localization strings
-removed the water-pump-jack tech if enabled in bobs

aklesey1 wrote:1) Where to use Hydrofluoric Acid?
2) Where to use Ammonium Cloride Gas?
the possibility of using these elements will appear in the future?
I think this proccesing chain with nitrogen not finished now

hoho wrote:Do you keep your current development work off from Github for now?

I sure hope you have decent backups, I just had my HDD blow up on me a few days ago

Exasperation wrote:If you also have the processing mod installed you can use processing plants to sort the sorter output for smelting; that's what I do and it works really well. Three processing plants (two for primary ore, one for secondary) can handle all the output from two sorters, take up about the same amount of space across, and let you sort the ore onto separate belts or into furnaces without requiring blue circuits. As a bonus, extra output!

marginoferror wrote:

Exasperation wrote:If you also have the processing mod installed you can use processing plants to sort the sorter output for smelting; that's what I do and it works really well. Three processing plants (two for primary ore, one for secondary) can handle all the output from two sorters, take up about the same amount of space across, and let you sort the ore onto separate belts or into furnaces without requiring blue circuits. As a bonus, extra output!

That's a good idea, although I think the processing mod doesn't yet support Factorio 0.14 yet (and the others do).

Arch666Angel wrote:I missused Github mostly for file hosting, since I can dump almost all the stuff on the modportal now it's not that usefull for me anymore. I do have backups on a second HDD

Arch666Angel wrote:PetroChem 0.1.4
https://mods.factorio.com/mods/Arch666A ... spetrochem

data.raw["technology"]["sulfur-processing"]=nil

Only problem I noticed was that in your angels-petrochem-override you set

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data.raw["technology"]["sulfur-processing"]=nil

This causes issues with some other mods that use/depend on Bobs stuff, including his own Bob's revmap. N-Tech Chemistry probably also won't particuarly like it.