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iamwyza wrote:

buggy123 wrote:

Light wrote:

buggy123 wrote:Also, question: How exactly is steam temperature and power generation related to each other? If i feed low-temp steam into a steam engine, do I get less power? Does it consume more? Is it less efficient? Am I losing power if i premix all the different temperature steams from the cooling towers? And how does this all work with the various tiers of steam engines from bob's mods?

The steam engines have a maximum temperature listed when you mouse over them. If your steam is 150 degrees and the maximum temperature is 300 degrees, then you're only going to receive half of the maximum power production. The amount of steam used is probably going to be higher since the engine can't satisfy demand as well as it would with higher heat steam, which is why you want it as close to the maximum as possible for better efficiency. (This is based on my personal observation)

Bob's steam engines have different maximum temperatures as do the turbines used by reactors. I've also noticed that if the temperature is under 100 degrees then the steam engines refuse to work no matter what, so the 50 degree steam from cooling is only useful for cracking.

Hopefully that answers things well enough, but I'm sure someone with far more time on their hands can answer it better.

Thank you, that explains it well. Also I just checked and the wiki also has all this info, whoops.

Which is problematic because you can't seem to barrel steam by default so moving it around is a pain.

buggy123 wrote: Barrels probably don't retain temperature, so that makes sense.

Sedar wrote:Hm, last changes with recepie rate in smelting 0.3.6 a bit strange for me. I play in railvorld, so no marathon mode. And do not see the reason to increase ALL recepies rates in 1.25+. Just downgrade smelting to 0.3.5. Right now i dont see reason for that global downgrade for all my factories.

Arch666Angel wrote: If you set recipes to expensive when you generated the map it will default to the more expensive version there. Also it's not affecting all recipes, recipes with expensive versions are currently: sorting, crystallizing, crushed to stone, plastic bars, resin bars, rubber, oil separation, gas separation, all casting into plates or coil recipes.

Sedar wrote:By the way, I found a very unpleasant feature of the wire coils. The fact is that they can not be unwound in electronic assembly machines. And unwound wires are very inconvenient to transport.

Sedar wrote:

Arch666Angel wrote: If you set recipes to expensive when you generated the map it will default to the more expensive version there. Also it's not affecting all recipes, recipes with expensive versions are currently: sorting, crystallizing, crushed to stone, plastic bars, resin bars, rubber, oil separation, gas separation, all casting into plates or coil recipes.

Yes, when I start the map, I set complex recipes. But they are already complex even before this smelting update! Double-complex steel, gears, wires and other basic components. Now this complexity is multiplying by complexity is added by the smelting changes.

This is ok, when you start a new map and you can choose the complexity that ok for you. But when in the middle of the game the complexity multiplies it's a little disappointing.

In any case, I understand your position but right now I not ready for such changes at the current level of development of the main map (the early mid-game). So I remain on the version of smelting to 0.3.5. Closer to the middle of the mid-game, I will be able to resist these sudden changes in smelting and wil try new updates with new nice things.

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Sedar wrote:By the way, I found a very unpleasant feature of the wire coils. The fact is that they can not be unwound in electronic assembly machines. And unwound wires are very inconvenient to transport.

Neemys wrote:If you set expensive recipe in world settings screen they can be edited during game :

The followings command disable achievement, if you want them not to disable achievement use a mod to execute them.

write the following command to change from expensive to normal recipes :

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/c game.difficulty_settings.recipe_difficulty = 0

Unfortunately it will be applied to ALL mods and not only angels, so if you want only to disable angels expensive recipe you need to edit his mod.

There are similar command for technology difficulty and multiplier.

cpy wrote:Also recipes that require copper cables do not work automatically now in latest update angelssmelting_0.3.8.zip and angelsrefining_0.7.23.zip that I updated today.

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buggy123 wrote:

cpy wrote:Also recipes that require copper cables do not work automatically now in latest update angelssmelting_0.3.8.zip and angelsrefining_0.7.23.zip that I updated today.

I can confirm this:

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Arch666Angel wrote:

buggy123 wrote:

cpy wrote:Also recipes that require copper cables do not work automatically now in latest update angelssmelting_0.3.8.zip and angelsrefining_0.7.23.zip that I updated today.

I can confirm this:

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I added an extra variable for that, so the game wont use the recipe to calculate crafting paths, but seems that is not enough.

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Arch666Angel wrote:

cpy wrote:Electric boiler have pollution 22.2? Really? Do you have trouble breathing from all the pollution when your electric water boiler makes hot water for your coffee or tea?

iamwyza wrote:

cpy wrote:Electric boiler have pollution 22.2? Really? Do you have trouble breathing from all the pollution when your electric water boiler makes hot water for your coffee or tea?

So much this. Electric boilers are 100% clean and also should have an efficiency of >90%. (boilers can be as high as 100% efficient for indoor units, 95% for outdoor)