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Re: Development and Discussion

Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:12 am
by steinio
QuackerJ4ck wrote:Since this mod is fantastic with Bob's; can i recommoned a recipe to improve the tree/wood output of Bobs Treehouses by injecting CO2 in it?
Instead of water?
I find the fertilizer recipe is very efficient.

Greetings steinio

Re: Development and Discussion

Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 11:53 am
by Ratzap
steinio wrote:
QuackerJ4ck wrote:Since this mod is fantastic with Bob's; can i recommoned a recipe to improve the tree/wood output of Bobs Treehouses by injecting CO2 in it?
Instead of water?
I find the fertilizer recipe is very efficient.

Greetings steinio
Indeed. The fertilizer recipe is already there and it works great.

While I'm here, I saw the new tanks mod and thought while big is good, I'd really like a couple of smaller options too. Quite often I want to buffer a little fluid/gas but the smallest tank is the 3x3 2500 unit one. Unlike chests we can't open the storage and shrink the space down either.

Re: Development and Discussion

Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:28 pm
by mexmer
Ratzap wrote:
steinio wrote:
QuackerJ4ck wrote:Since this mod is fantastic with Bob's; can i recommoned a recipe to improve the tree/wood output of Bobs Treehouses by injecting CO2 in it?
Instead of water?
I find the fertilizer recipe is very efficient.

Greetings steinio
Indeed. The fertilizer recipe is already there and it works great.

While I'm here, I saw the new tanks mod and thought while big is good, I'd really like a couple of smaller options too. Quite often I want to buffer a little fluid/gas but the smallest tank is the 3x3 2500 unit one. Unlike chests we can't open the storage and shrink the space down either.
not sure what you mean by "shrink space", but if you mean rebalancing how much fluid is inside, it can be done with valves, pumps and logic circuit.
also if you have overflow of some gas or liquid you can use flares (if you don't need to stock that gas/fluid), combined with overflow valve works well. same with "whatever" water ... having too much? put overflow valve at tank output, and clarifier aftet it

if you not use petrochem mod (therefore don't have flares), just use pump and airvent for gases. and for liquids, turn them into cubes (solid fuel).

overflow valves are my fav, when managing fluids. before that, i needed always change logic circuit, when i upgraded fluid tanks (i mean tanks from bobs mod)

Re: Development and Discussion

Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 5:50 pm
by AlexDeluxe
Hello, i face with problem "'Error in assignID, item-subgroup with name 'angels-ores' does not exist"
Plese help

Re: Development and Discussion

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:55 am
by iamwyza
With the new big liquid tank mod, if you already have researched the fluid handling and then add the mod, you don't get the tank as an option to build. Is there a commandline fix for that?

Re: Development and Discussion

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 6:46 am
by mexmer
AlexDeluxe wrote:Hello, i face with problem "'Error in assignID, item-subgroup with name 'angels-ores' does not exist"
Plese help
do you have angels infite ores mod installed?
if you don't want infinite ore patches, also install angels infirite ore toggle - this will disable "infirnite" flag, so you don't need to edit config file. still all other angels mod require angels infite ores for work.

Re: Development and Discussion

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:42 am
by aklesey1
Suggestion about petrochem mod
Arch666Angel can u make other way of obtaining calcium sulfate?
aklesey1 wrote:How to get fluotrite ore? :( I must say I never paid attention on how to get fluorite ore, but now I decided to examine for that ore
How to get calcium sulfate? I can't get it without fluorite ore - i can get only fluorite by refining 2 jivolite crystals + 2 crotinnium crystals + 2 stiratite crystals + 1 brown catalyst - i repeat - this is not not fluorite ore but only simple fluorite - they even look different - one with pink color and one with light green color - pink fluorite is using in uranium power mod

I think its simple typo in lua code, but i if i'm looking into constant combinator i can see that's 2 different objects in game even if they have similar names
I find it hard to believe that getting the calcium sulаate is difficult - by processing via strange chain with fluorite ore, which has some serious problem in petrochem mod, is it possible to get not only by one way

Re: Development and Discussion

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:50 am
by aklesey1
OMG :o
I often like to look inside the constant combinator to watch some game elements
And i found - manganese ore and platinum ore :D now it exists in the forms of materials prepared for the future, but it's still very interesting - beta of smelting mod contains many surprises ;)

Re: Development and Discussion

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:26 am
by mexmer
aklesey1 wrote:OMG :o
I often like to look inside the constant combinator to watch some game elements
And i found - manganese ore and platinum ores :D now it exists in the forms of materials prepared for the future, but it's still very interesting - beta of smelting mod contains many surprises ;)
they are there for some time, and has been mentioned already :D

Re: Development and Discussion

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:53 am
by AlexDeluxe
mexmer wrote: do you have angels infite ores mod installed?
if you don't want infinite ore patches, also install angels infirite ore toggle - this will disable "infirnite" flag, so you don't need to edit config file. still all other angels mod require angels infite ores for work.
Could you transfer me this mods, please?

Re: Development and Discussion

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:00 pm
by steinio
aklesey1 wrote:OMG :o
I often like to look inside the constant combinator to watch some game elements
And i found - manganese ore and platinum ore :D now it exists in the forms of materials prepared for the future, but it's still very interesting - beta of smelting mod contains many surprises ;)
Yes spotted it also and looking forward what Angel will bring is as new fun.
iamwyza wrote:With the new big liquid tank mod, if you already have researched the fluid handling and then add the mod, you don't get the tank as an option to build. Is there a commandline fix for that?
Here i posted the mod with migration file: viewtopic.php?f=185&t=25468&start=460#p213475

Re: Development and Discussion

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:36 pm
by NashBridges2
aklesey1 wrote:Suggestion about petrochem mod
Arch666Angel can u make other way of obtaining calcium sulfate?

I find it hard to believe that getting the calcium sulаate is difficult - by processing via strange chain with fluorite ore, which has some serious problem in petrochem mod, is it possible to get not only by one way

May be crushed stone + sulfuric acid?

Re: Development and Discussion

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 4:36 pm
by aklesey1
NashBridges2 wrote: May be crushed stone + sulfuric acid?
I'm agree, and first it is necessary to consult with Arch666Angel - he is author of his mod

P. S. Hey Arch666Angel tell us who is working under your mods a in your team? I think its really hard to so many hard work under all these in details worked mods 8-)

Re: Development and Discussion

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 6:42 pm
by Breith
aklesey1 wrote:
NashBridges2 wrote: May be crushed stone + sulfuric acid?
P. S. Hey Arch666Angel tell us who is working under your mods a in your team? I think its really hard to so many hard work under all these in details worked mods 8-)
This is not already what we do on this forum? Giving feedback and thoughts update after updates.

Re: Development and Discussion

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 7:26 pm
by aklesey1
Сogitations about recipes which will be changed in smelting mod

Lead
In bobplates mod:
In the end of processing chain for lead we could get sulfur dioxide
In angel petrochem:
Lead undergoes the complete purification and we can get pure lead
In the middle of this chain we could get a little count of silver ore

Nickel, here's similar
In bobplates mod:
In the end of processing chain for lead we could get sulfuric acid
In angel petrochem:
Nickel undergoes the complete purification and we can get pure nickel

Re: Development and Discussion

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:28 pm
by gheift
Hi Angel,

when do you plan to enable alloy crafting in your smelting mod?
If you do, may I suggest some adjustments?
Here are some ideas:
  • in the blast-furnace-1 recipe replace the basic-electronic-board with a basic-circuit-board
  • mode tin- & lead-smelting tech to the same level as iron- & copper-smelting and let them only require red science packs
  • make solder-1-smelting tech depending on tin- & lead-smelting only requiring red science packs
  • make steel-smelting tech depending on iron-smelting (currently it is unlocked with advanced metallurgy 1)
  • make ore processing-1 depending on solder-1-smelting
  • make advanced-metallurgy-1 depending on steel-processing
  • make bio-processing-1 depending on basic-chemistry
Thanks for your great mods,
Gerhard

Re: Development and Discussion

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:17 pm
by Arch666Angel
There are some things in Petrochems that arent used yet and need to be hidden/deactivated, the calcium sulfate and the fluorite are just some examples.
aklesey1 wrote:
NashBridges2 wrote: May be crushed stone + sulfuric acid?
I'm agree, and first it is necessary to consult with Arch666Angel - he is author of his mod

P. S. Hey Arch666Angel tell us who is working under your mods a in your team? I think its really hard to so many hard work under all these in details worked mods 8-)
I do work alone on my mods, but there are contributions and help from other on occasion, like the override script Exasperation wrote for me, or the gfx which started me off with refining that yuoki did for me and of course you guys here giving feedback and being my labrats and testing the stuff I cooked up :)
aklesey1 wrote:Сogitations about recipes which will be changed in smelting mod

Lead
In bobplates mod:
In the end of processing chain for lead we could get sulfur dioxide
In angel petrochem:
Lead undergoes the complete purification and we can get pure lead
In the middle of this chain we could get a little count of silver ore

Nickel, here's similar
In bobplates mod:
In the end of processing chain for lead we could get sulfuric acid
In angel petrochem:
Nickel undergoes the complete purification and we can get pure nickel
All the ore byproducts are handled within the refining mod, bob tries to emulate this mechanic with his advanced recipes where you can get cobalt from copper for example.
gheift wrote:Hi Angel,

when do you plan to enable alloy crafting in your smelting mod?
If you do, may I suggest some adjustments?
Here are some ideas:
  • in the blast-furnace-1 recipe replace the basic-electronic-board with a basic-circuit-board
  • mode tin- & lead-smelting tech to the same level as iron- & copper-smelting and let them only require red science packs
  • make solder-1-smelting tech depending on tin- & lead-smelting only requiring red science packs
  • make steel-smelting tech depending on iron-smelting (currently it is unlocked with advanced metallurgy 1)
  • make ore processing-1 depending on solder-1-smelting
  • make advanced-metallurgy-1 depending on steel-processing
  • make bio-processing-1 depending on basic-chemistry
Thanks for your great mods,
Gerhard
My problem at the moment is more that I'm working on several different things and mods, so to get things done I should concentrate on finishing one mod, but I also have to take breaks from working on petrochem for example because getting new ideas and go over all the stuff again takes time. So I cant give you an ETA for when alloying will be avaiable, there is also still the strand casting machine model to be done, where I'm not sure on how to progress further with it.

I distract myself with doing little things, like the pressure tanks or what I did today:

My take on warehouses
Image

Re: Development and Discussion

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 4:54 am
by aklesey1
Wow, it's cool hi-tech style, i like it

Re: Development and Discussion

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:50 am
by mexmer
AlexDeluxe wrote:
mexmer wrote: do you have angels infite ores mod installed?
if you don't want infinite ore patches, also install angels infirite ore toggle - this will disable "infirnite" flag, so you don't need to edit config file. still all other angels mod require angels infite ores for work.
Could you transfer me this mods, please?
you should see it in mod installer, it's this one https://mods.factorio.com/mods/Arch666A ... finiteores

Re: Development and Discussion

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:17 am
by StormTAG
Been playing with the smelting mod for a bit now. My foundry is getting big! Well, it was until the Bulldozer mod hosed my save.

One thing I noticed is that the advanced smelting recipes make some of the recipes less complex. Take Silicon Plates for example. The original Bob's recipe for a silicon plate is Calcium Chloride, Carbon and Quartz where as the advanced smelting recipe is simply Quartz and Coal. In fact, I can't seem to find any use for Calcium Chloride any more.

Another is Cobalt. The original recipe is a two step with Cobalt Ore, Stone and Sulfirc acid with the option of generating cobalt via Advanced Copper processing. Meanwhile the advanced Smelting recipe is just Cobalt ore and carbon.

I'd encourage you to add these complexities back into the smelting mod, perhaps as part of the processed ore or pellet versions. That way early on you can use the more basic recipes for directly creating plates and add the more complex vesions to gain the additional efficiencies from the processed and pellet lines.