Can anyone explain this?
Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 11:18 pm
No doubt this is my fault somehow...?
Yes, perhaps burners would have worked on the output side as well as they would pull coal from the furnace. But I hadn't thought of that, I guess. I've simply replaced them with electric inserters in my save but I am surprised to hear that burner inserters are unable to bootstrap themselves once they run out of fuel. If that's right, that defeats the purpose of many of my usages of them and kinda gives me a headache to think about. Can anyone confirm this?Mehve wrote:I've always thought Factorio was a great litmus test for who has OCD and who doesn't...
Did the belt go dry of coal at one point? I haven't tested it, but I don't think burner inserters have a safety on them. So when they're moving two different items (coal and something else), and the coal dries up, I bet they'll keep on fulfilling the demand for the other item (i.e. the furnace's demand for stone) until they go dead. That's the only way I could see ALL the burners going dead like that.
Edit: Alright, mild OCD here - you have burner inserters going into the furnaces, but fast inserters going out?
I can confirm it. And it's fine IMO because they're pretty easy to guarantee they'll always run, so long as you make sure they are only loading coal. Or, you could go wonky and have another burner inserter inserting into them. That inserter would only grab coal and would always put it into the burner on the furnace. But in this case a far better choice is just use a non-burner inserter.golfmiketango wrote:I am surprised to hear that burner inserters are unable to bootstrap themselves once they run out of fuel. If that's right, that defeats the purpose of many of my usages of them and kinda gives me a headache to think about. Can anyone confirm this?
When you first place a burner inserter, it has a limited amount of energy by default. Enough for a couple inserts, one of which needs to be a fuel item in order to keep it going after the initial energy runs out. After that, they'll always keep 2 fuel items in reserve for themselves, and prioritize that over giving fuel to their target. For them to actually run out in a situation like how you're using them, the coal half of that belt needs to stay dry for a fair bit of time, even while the stone keeps coming for the inserter to move.golfmiketango wrote: Yes, perhaps burners would have worked on the output side as well as they would pull coal from the furnace. But I hadn't thought of that, I guess. I've simply replaced them with electric inserters in my save but I am surprised to hear that burner inserters are unable to bootstrap themselves once they run out of fuel. If that's right, that defeats the purpose of many of my usages of them and kinda gives me a headache to think about. Can anyone confirm this?
Aha, that explains a lot, and also at least partially rescues the value-proposition of burner-inserters in my book. Although it still makes my brain hurt a little bit because it makes me want to find an early-game compatible way to re-bootstrap them if they have stopped in this way.Mehve wrote:When you first place a burner inserter, it has a limited amount of energy by default. Enough for a couple inserts, one of which needs to be a fuel item in order to keep it going after the initial energy runs out. After that, they'll always keep 2 fuel items in reserve for themselves, and prioritize that over giving fuel to their target. For them to actually run out in a situation like how you're using them, the coal half of that belt needs to stay dry for a fair bit of time, even while the stone keeps coming for the inserter to move.golfmiketango wrote: Yes, perhaps burners would have worked on the output side as well as they would pull coal from the furnace. But I hadn't thought of that, I guess. I've simply replaced them with electric inserters in my save but I am surprised to hear that burner inserters are unable to bootstrap themselves once they run out of fuel. If that's right, that defeats the purpose of many of my usages of them and kinda gives me a headache to think about. Can anyone confirm this?