Kovarex Enrichment Process unbalanced?

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Kovarex Enrichment Process unbalanced?

Postby Mr Mental » Fri May 19, 2017 9:32 pm

So after playing the new 0.15.2 - 0.15.12 (Current) Ive been aiming to get Kovarex enrichment, Now after getting it, It seems like either im misunderstanding it or something else; So here is what im getting from it;

You need
40x Uranium 235 and 5x Uranium 238 wich produces ;
41x Uranium 235 and 2x Uranium 238.

Now is it me, Or does the amount of 235 Needed seem a bit too much for what you get?

Wouldn't;
40x U 235 & #-1-10x U 238 Produce
41-50x U 235 & 5x 238 seem better for what you get .

Because 1x gain seems a little low for what you get.
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Re: Kovarex Enrichment Process unbalanced?

Postby Koub » Fri May 19, 2017 9:47 pm

Actually, you get from :
0.7% chance getting U-235 from an ore
to :
100% chance getting 1 U-235 from 3 U-238

That's a huge improvement :).
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Re: Kovarex Enrichment Process unbalanced?

Postby Kelderek » Fri May 19, 2017 9:52 pm

Mr Mental wrote:Because 1x gain seems a little low for what you get.


The only hard part about the kovarex process is acquiring the first 40 units of U-235, but once you have it you can get a nearly free supply of more U-235 from that point on. Don't forget that you can speed module and beacon it up and once you get another 40 then plop down another centrifuge, rinsing and repeating as much as you want. On my last map I have over 3000 U-235 and that was even after making a few hundred atomic bombs.
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Re: Kovarex Enrichment Process unbalanced?

Postby Mr Mental » Sat May 20, 2017 12:57 am

The only hard part about the kovarex process is acquiring the first 40 units of U-235, but once you have it you can get a nearly free supply of more U-235 from that point on. Don't forget that you can speed module and beacon it up and once you get another 40 then plop down another centrifuge, rinsing and repeating as much as you want. On my last map I have over 3000 U-235 and that was even after making a few hundred atomic bombs.


Yep that first 40 was a pain.

After posting that and now getting it to work , 4 centrifuges making U-235.

And that number is only going to increase drastically.

((Edit): Now up to 12.)
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Re: Kovarex Enrichment Process unbalanced?

Postby Tev » Sat May 20, 2017 7:50 pm

I'd argue it's too unbalanced in the other direction.

I didn't even bother with it at start (deathworld), and powered base with all u235 I had. I had to monitor my uranium mines quite a bit . . . as expected for late-game energy source in hard game settings. Ever since I made kovarex & 80 u235 for simple centrifuge setup (u235 is tossed from one to another and back, only taking out bonus with circuits), I have HUGE stockpiles of u235 and energy has turned into very-easy mode for me. The designing of the reactor setups and associated logic is still fun but resource itself is even more plentiful than was coal in 0.14 and before.
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Re: Kovarex Enrichment Process unbalanced?

Postby ukezi » Tue May 23, 2017 4:21 pm

yeap one corverex can power 30 reactors. in a 2N setup thats 4.6 GW that should be enougth.
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Re: Kovarex Enrichment Process unbalanced?

Postby raidho36 » Tue May 30, 2017 5:22 am

The process should be reballanced to make large amount of raw U-238 unusable for power. Right now you can basically use 100% of your U-238 to make U-235 and use it for power.

Maybe instead of consuming three of U-238 the enrichment process should produce another U-238 that's depleted for good and its only worthwhile use is ammunition?
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Re: Kovarex Enrichment Process unbalanced?

Postby Ace_W » Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:54 pm

raidho36 wrote:The process should be reballanced to make large amount of raw U-238 unusable for power. Right now you can basically use 100% of your U-238 to make U-235 and use it for power.

Maybe instead of consuming three of U-238 the enrichment process should produce another U-238 that's depleted for good and its only worthwhile use is ammunition?


Call it something like "uranium 238 depleted" but id give it a high number in keeping with factorios position of permanent loss. Or make the new expensive recipes have said higher number.
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Re: Kovarex Enrichment Process unbalanced?

Postby Qon » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:48 pm

raidho36 wrote:The process should be reballanced to make large amount of raw U-238 unusable for power. Right now you can basically use 100% of your U-238 to make U-235 and use it for power.

That's the whole point of the kovarex process. You want it "rebalanced" to fail at its intended purpose?
The whole point of the nuclear power production was to give a good end game power source that doesn't require stupid amounts of mining and space. Half the point of releasing 0.15 was giving us nuclear power.

If you don't want nuclear power then don't use it. Don't ask for it to be removed from the game.
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Re: Kovarex Enrichment Process unbalanced?

Postby BlakeMW » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:03 pm

raidho36 wrote:The process should be reballanced to make large amount of raw U-238 unusable for power. Right now you can basically use 100% of your U-238 to make U-235 and use it for power.


That'd be silly, because IRL you CAN use 100% of the U-238 to make power, it just requires using fast neutrons to convert the U-238 to fissile isotopes and removing the neutron poisons.

Personally I think the breeder reaction should take place in a nuclear reactor which would tend to intrinsically slow it down. But I can see why the devs took the route they did, because it only involves adding 1 new recipe, rather than several new items as would be required for reactor-based fuel breeding.
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