I still see no solution that has a chance to be used by the devs.[...]
Does that mean you think the proposal has no chance? Why?


None of them addressed the discrepancy specifically.


They did in the other multipage mega-whinge that got locked.


I never noticed. I probably just never ran ...

ptx0 wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:48 am devs already said no, though.

No, they haven't. The only post that could be construed that way was clearly a misunderstanding of the proposal, and possibly of the problem itself as well.

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this forum was about improving the game when it was in development, but it's done now. these mechanisms have had years for these problems to come up, and it has become an issue for one person only now after the game is released. that means it's not worth spending time on.


instead of "game ...

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But still: I don't think this mechanic should go away and the proposal in this thread sounds to complicated for me.
The only thing that is in danger by this are nuclear reactors because they spiral down when this happens.
But I think those that build nuclear reactors using tick based ...

I'm sorry but attempting to objectively judge the quality of the arguments of the person you're arguing discussing with is generally a futile exercise.
There are logic-based methods for evaluating an argument and how it interacts with an opposing argument that operate independently of and ...

holy cow, it's so crazy that you can't see what's happening here is happening on both sides. you keep ignoring really good advice and suggestions and ways that you can just ignore this or never run into it,
No, I acknowledged repeatedly that those methods exist and are in fact valid ways to avoid ...

Let me tell you a tale. At my day job, things globally work, despite some process issues that are clunky and incoherent due to a bad early design decision (that seemed smart at that time). I have risen a suggestion and tried to convince every one that things could be so much more straightforward ...

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Turrets don't use power. Unless you are talking about laser turrets. That's an inconsistency. It's also not a problem.
All explosives will damage your buildings. Except Cliff Explosives. That's an inconsistency. It's also not a problem.
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Laser turrets requiring power is an inconsistency ...

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You think that because we disagree with you that we don't understand the problem, in the same way that someone who tells a joke that doesn't get a laugh thinks it's because the audience doesn't get the joke. They get the joke. They just don't think it's funny.

I get your reasoning. I just ...

they could just remove the brownout mechanism since it is compute intensive and revert to a Satisfactory-esque fuse situation where breaching the max capacity results in everything going completely off! that'd save UPS.
That could, and if there were some sort of breaker mechanic on power ...

Being simple also. Especially a computer game for nerds. :geek: :ugeek:

Some of the best and nerdiest games I've played are very simple in design. Zachtronics games spring to mind. One thing I noticed about those games that really made them feel elegant was that their mechanics and rules were ...

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the proposal decides there's an issue just because inserters don't behave like combinators, combinators miss the pulse outputs during low power condition. this is because of poor base design - no real question about it.

inserters have odd behaviour - they will drop an item into a cargo wagon ...

and people have disagreed repeatedly. not diligent about power but uses circuit network pulses heavily? lies.

No, the correct conditions are "not 100% diligent about power and uses the pulse function on inserters at all". Pulses on the network in general aren't a problem if they come from ...

how will newer players encounter this problem? I've hung out on Factorio discord for a long time, and something I have observed is that "noobs" avoid circuit network (CN) like the plague because they just don't need / want its complexity - let alone using "pulse" readings. personally, I have ...

The main proposal does seem to have some merit, but it involves a lot of changes, which makes it harder and thus less likely, all for fixing a small problem which further makes it all the less likely. You would probably want to motivate and explain it in more detail but I suspect that's not an ...

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That's not derailing, it's a valid concern. Esp. because you propose that kind of dumbing down as fallback solution, if your proposal doesnt get implemented.
I think your intent is obvious, now let the devs decide whats the best solution
Im out. Good luck

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Regarding the topic of the ...

I fail to see, why this issue is so important that you guys post text wall after text wall.[...]
Because this
if the devs find a possibIlity to solve the inconsistency in a reasonable amount of time,[...]
and more are right here
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Remove the energy buffer from dedicated logic devices ...

The terminology can get a bit ambiguous since Factorio rolls a lot (voltage, amperage, etc.) into one concept of "power" or "electricity" which has a completely different internal representation anyways. The crux of the issue is that the behavior is inconsistent and results in erratic symptoms ...

I don't see why this is even being talked about.
In summary, it's inconsistent behavior, and it's disproportionately punishing to newer players learning the ropes for no good reason.
Whenever your power satisfaction drops below 100%, all your machines slow down proportionally.
Not true ...

Usually, this results in bug reports ("things don't work"), before being re-qualified as "not a bug", "Suggestion", or "Gameplay Help" depending on OP's wording and the dev/moderator who is involved. And it's not only my experience as Factorio forum's moderator, but also as a IT support engineer ...