I'm fine with alternatives existing. What I'm not fine with is people grossly misrepresenting my proposal as being equivalent to one of those alternatives when it is not. This is supposed to be a thread about the proposal to fix the inconsistency, so of course I'm going to correct people when they s...

can you just be straightforward and not use metaphors[...] I've been doing that this whole thread, but for some reason, everyone absolutely refuses to address the proposal I made directly, instead insisting on some workaround or inferior alternate solution. Remember all the confusion about the &quo...

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Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:55 pm

https://mods.factorio.com/mod/FreeEnergyCombinators

here's the rope for your bridge that you refuse to install.

Uh, no, that's building stone walls along the sides of the bridge so that people can't fall off, but now there's only enough room on the bridge for single-file anyways.

Dear Texas Instruments,[...] Once upon a time, there was a village by a river. One day, a traveler arrived at that village to replenish his supplies, hawk his wares, and rest his feet, but over the first few days of his visit, he noticed something strange. There was a simple wooden bridge built acr...

I still see no solution that has a chance to be used by the devs.[...] Does that mean you think the proposal has no chance? Why? None of them addressed the discrepancy specifically. They did in the other multipage mega-whinge that got locked. I never noticed. I probably just never ran low on power,...

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Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:48 am

devs already said no, though.

No, they haven't. The only post that could be construed that way was clearly a misunderstanding of the proposal, and possibly of the problem itself as well.

[...] this forum was about improving the game when it was in development, but it's done now. these mechanisms have had years for these problems to come up, and it has become an issue for one person only now after the game is released. that means it's not worth spending time on. instead of "gam...

[...] But still: I don't think this mechanic should go away and the proposal in this thread sounds to complicated for me. The only thing that is in danger by this are nuclear reactors because they spiral down when this happens. But I think those that build nuclear reactors using tick based mechanic...

I'm sorry but attempting to objectively judge the quality of the arguments of the person you're arguing discussing with is generally a futile exercise. There are logic-based methods for evaluating an argument and how it interacts with an opposing argument that operate independently of and objective...

holy cow, it's so crazy that you can't see what's happening here is happening on both sides. you keep ignoring really good advice and suggestions and ways that you can just ignore this or never run into it, No, I acknowledged repeatedly that those methods exist and are in fact valid ways to avoid r...

Let me tell you a tale. At my day job, things globally work, despite some process issues that are clunky and incoherent due to a bad early design decision (that seemed smart at that time). I have risen a suggestion and tried to convince every one that things could be so much more straightforward if...

[...] Turrets don't use power. Unless you are talking about laser turrets. That's an inconsistency. It's also not a problem. All explosives will damage your buildings. Except Cliff Explosives. That's an inconsistency. It's also not a problem. [...] Laser turrets requiring power is an inconsistency ...

[...] You think that because we disagree with you that we don't understand the problem, in the same way that someone who tells a joke that doesn't get a laugh thinks it's because the audience doesn't get the joke. They get the joke. They just don't think it's funny. I get your reasoning. I just don...

they could just remove the brownout mechanism since it is compute intensive and revert to a Satisfactory-esque fuse situation where breaching the max capacity results in everything going completely off! that'd save UPS. That could, and if there were some sort of breaker mechanic on power producing ...

Being simple also. Especially a computer game for nerds. :geek: :ugeek: Some of the best and nerdiest games I've played are very simple in design. Zachtronics games spring to mind. One thing I noticed about those games that really made them feel elegant was that their mechanics and rules were very ...

[...] the proposal decides there's an issue just because inserters don't behave like combinators, combinators miss the pulse outputs during low power condition. this is because of poor base design - no real question about it. inserters have odd behaviour - they will drop an item into a cargo wagon ...

and people have disagreed repeatedly. not diligent about power but uses circuit network pulses heavily? lies. No, the correct conditions are "not 100% diligent about power and uses the pulse function on inserters at all". Pulses on the network in general aren't a problem if they come from...

how will newer players encounter this problem? I've hung out on Factorio discord for a long time, and something I have observed is that "noobs" avoid circuit network (CN) like the plague because they just don't need / want its complexity - let alone using "pulse" readings. perso...

The main proposal does seem to have some merit, but it involves a lot of changes, which makes it harder and thus less likely, all for fixing a small problem which further makes it all the less likely. You would probably want to motivate and explain it in more detail but I suspect that's not an easy...

[...] That's not derailing, it's a valid concern. Esp. because you propose that kind of dumbing down as fallback solution, if your proposal doesnt get implemented. I think your intent is obvious, now let the devs decide whats the best solution Im out. Good luck [...] Regarding the topic of the puls...