IMO, the best nerf would hit throughput directly. The idea of limiting one bot to interact with one chest at a time would effectively limit the throughput. I think the time necessary for each interaction should be equivalent to the swinging speed of a fast inserter. With a maximum carrying capacity...

Nah, if you want to make bots more complex, have roboports be for construction and have logistic towers. Make logistic bot towers that have smaller logistic areas and have to be within a roboport's construction area to link up. Then have each tower hold 1 stack of logistic bots as well as have defin...

I've done the numbers. It's hard for robots, because you have to think about what you're measuring, but effectively the metric comes down to how many robots can you assign to a single roboport such that no robot will have to wait to charge. While the effective capacity of a robot is dependent on th...

I don't think the problem with belts and bots is one being overpowered; it's a matter of complexity and progression. As it stands, bots can do everything belts can do, and do it better. This will just about always be the case because of how bots and chests currently work (eliminates the need for la...

So you're using 2 builds that are drastically different production levels... you dont need to use beacons and modules, I never do, but I dont make mega bases. You're making no arguments that in any way disagree with what my point was. If anything, you're proving me correct but showing that bots are ...

If you are worried by the costs of logistics bots, then you simply don't understand the way megabases are built. Firstly logistics bots are only about 50% more expensive than each piece of blue belt. (Blue belt 31.5 iron, logistics bot about 45 iron + copper) You can build 5 about logistics bots fo...

Blue belts move 40 items per second. Logistics bot with a capacity of 5... that means to compete, you would need 8 logi bots per second carrying those items for however long it takes to reach their destination. I have already done the math that 1 logi bot equals a little more than 3 blue belts. So f...

Roboports cost 45 red circuits, 45 steel, 45 gears. That is 305 iron, 225 copper, and 45 plastic. To spam them is incredibly expensive, not to mention each one can go from ~50 kw to 4mw power consumption. In active logistic factory, roboports will utterly dominate power consumption and draw more pow...

Make belts better? Belts will always need to be layed from start to finish and will always need surface area to be placed on, that is intrinsic to its mechanic. There is is no adjustment you could make to belts that would make it competitive with a mechanic that has no limitations at all. Why are t...

It seems like there are two main objections to bots in their current form: Infinite throughput and ease of use. If bots are limited in how many can access a chest in a given period of time, the infinite throughput goes away, but it then adds a new challenge for players to solve. How do you maximize...

I was thinking similar, having a load/unload duration for bots interacting with a chest and a limit on how many bots can do that simultaneously would feel very fitting imo and had the desired effect of discouraging mass usage of bots while not harming small scale bot based setups. Make belts better...

Glad you're finally reaching the same conclusion I've reached a couple years ago: bots take away the fun of building and managing your factory. As soon as you have them available (and most players go straight towards it) together with the ability to do blueprints, that's it. The game becomes a copy...

Me gripe with bots is that they remove the challenge. It's true that it's easier and quicker to design and build things that way, but that very aspect is makes it uninteresting. Building a factory IS the fun part of the game, and bots remove it neatly. Bots feel a lot like 100% refined sugar cereal...

Do not remove logistics bots because you personally do not like them. A game is about being fun and a lot of people find logistic bots to be fun. I definitely find them to be incredibly fun and enjoy building logistic networks and optimizing them to work better. Logistic bots have their own challen...

Infinite science and more packs, I am a fan. My own headcanon for the science packs is that the AI is performing a series of random tests to make sure that the tech being unlocked will work as expected. So the science packs, depending on the tech being unlocked, get modified, tested, and analyzed. O...

Changing Winds I'm back to recording finally. I've got two projects in the works for a major line of experimentation into automated construction. Seizing onto Klonan's Wind Turbine and Burner Generator to give me greater flexible energy solutions, I believe I am ready to aim for this experiment. Th...

I would love to see a Defense Network. Basically, they would be like the logistic network, but would respond to any attack on a player structure within their range. I would use a threat map that monitors attacks over time. This map would act like pollution does to control how many combat drones each...

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