Trains are by far more complicated to setup in a normal to a big factory. You need to learn chained signal, deadlocks, etc.

If you want to rebuild you train track it will take a lot more than place your tanks elsewhere. Your just need a pump for that...
And no in-game tutorials whatsoever can help ...

I think it could be good to have a little pool like:

First question : Are you good with Basic Oil tech changes ? (only Basic oil recipe)
* Yes
* No, but I have propositions
* No
* I don't know, let's see what happens

Second question : Are you good with recipe changes ? (except Basic Oil ...

Sure, having two outputs presents the "multiple outputs can block" early on, while not reducing the amount of things you need to do/worry about almost at all. Basic oil processing can still get stuck and that way it feels unsustainable, and the player just wants to rush advanced oil processing ...

I like the idea of changing how oil is produced : I always thought that Advanced Oil was not mandatory at all, since the gain is pretty thin and you can transform coal into whatever you need (and there's a lot of unused Coal in every map).

Removing all of other input is ok. But you need to add ...

Quick question, because I don't remember start a new map very frequently, I saw that Gun turret damage research disappeared.
As the wiki is stated it as been archived : https://wiki.factorio.com/Gun_turret_damage_(research)

Question : since which version ? can't find it ...

Very nice looking !

And you should keep the coloring, because it pushes the player to be Eco-sensitive, or if he don't want that, he have to move his chemical plant elsewhere.

It's not tileable at all since you don't include 2 parameters :

If you add 4 reactors, the gain from proximity is not taken in account, so you lost many energy
You didn't add Turbines which in an 8 core scenario would need around 194 Turbines for 112 Heat exchanger


Plus, you use to many ...

It's not tileable at all since you don't include 2 parameters :

If you add 4 reactors, the gain from proximity is not taken in account, so you lost many energy
You didn't add Turbines which in an 8 core scenario would need around 194 Turbines for 112 Heat exchanger


Plus, you use to many lost ...

Agree.


I have like :
5 Red
7 green
15 blue
5 purple
2 yellow but with massive beacons boost

I've just launched the rocket on a new game 0.17


I think your first suggestion is quite good.

An efficiency beacon costs 480kW at all times to stay active. In order for it to be effective it needs to reduce the cost of production by at least 480kW.
An eff3 reduces energy demand by 60% of the base, or half of that strength when in a beacon. 1 / 30% eff, *480kW power => You need to cover 1 ...

Speaking of assemblers, anyone has done math about beacons ?

Like is it better to have 6 AM3 with max beacons and SM3 (+ 500% speed if I remember well @max), or to have 36 assemblers ?


If you put 16 SM3s (in 8 beacons) touching an AM3 (with 4 PM3s in it) you get good results for the power ...

Speaking of assemblers, anyone has done math about beacons ?

Like is it better to have 6 AM3 with max beacons and SM3 (+ 500% speed if I remember well @max), or to have 36 assemblers ? And does adding beacons with EM2 or EM3 (but less beacons) help, because it needs to eliminate 480kW at least ...

First time I read your post, I was : "??meh, what is he talking about, you can easily output infinite science pack under a minute and you can fill a rocket within a minute or so and max it out with stack inserters"

I'm not a "SPM" guy, more a "it's ready when it's ready". I think you should ...

Built it, try it for the achievement, but it's useless and ineffective.
It's a factory setup I don't, and will not use.

Worse in 0.17

Why? Nuclear's not even that good compared to solar anyway. No need to make it even worse. Doesn't make sense either. Centrifuges aren't energy intensive buildings.


I think it's more complicated than that :
- at start it's full Steam
- then mix a bit of solar (but it's costly) until you have ...

We already discussed a lot on the matter, and here is some of my ideas : viewtopic.php?f=16&t=64575&start=20#p396566

This is still far from making it fair, but it's doing something.

Tier 1 productivity module needs around 250 plates produced by electric furnace to be refunded, meanwhile a tier 3 PM needs 5k500 plates produced to be refunded.
So it's not "free 6%" per module, since you need a lot more to produce a tier 3 PM.

Here is the math for building Tier 3 productivity ...

Thank you, I think in beta testing, while starting a new map, it's checked by default (I didn't change anythinng other than humidity and cliffs).
It must have change in a early change. I'll re-check every patch note.

See for your eyes :

Hello !

I don't really know if it's a bug or not, since i'm normally able to a queue once I launched a rocket (according to 0.17 patch note), but my new game in 0.17 always allowed me to queue research since the beginning.

But since 0.17.13 or 0.17.14, I'm not sure when, I can't have a research ...

your balancing problem doesn't include many variables ... and first of, modules as said before.

For example all my science pack are produced by lvl 3 assemblers with 4 productivity modules, so I can have up to 40% science pack. Combined with item needed with productivity modules and research labs ...