Hello Belter:) To go back to the topic: I downloaded your saves from factoriobox. There were mods active, so I made my own. I made a belt loop from 2k belts, and copied it 1000 times(so 1001 loops) It is surprisingly difficult to fill a belt without some inequalities. if anyone got a good system, pl...

You are correct, the "last grab inbalance" is not solved by this system.
hm. would setting max stacksize 10 om the inserters not solve that?

Putin's chest (factorio reddit) has made a simple solution lane balance first, then belt balance later.
Works for all belt types.
thoughts?

oos:) I forgot to put in the proper number of turbines. thanks, pi

concept compact setup (editor + editor extentions test setup) 0eNrNnVtzE8kShP+Lnm2i7xfe91ecIAjZHowibNmhy1l8CP/3MxILSIGSymzvA/vCAuab6pmqnktldn9d3Dzsp+fNar1bvP+6WN0+rbeL9//5utiu7tfLh8Of7V6ep8X7xWo3PS6uFuvl4+F32920fLze7Tc3q/W0eL1arNZ305fFe//64WoxrXer3Wr6Bjr+5uXjev94M23mH/iBmKbr1frTaj3/7fXnabm7fl7NB7paP...

20 turbines produce 2060 fluid/s to sustain that flow you need to limit your pipe segment count to 3. this doesn't work with a line of 20 HE's.
the throughput table and some other details are here:
https://wiki.factorio.com/Fluid_system

Here is an in depth explanation of the fluid system (this is how it still works.)
https://web.archive.org/web/20171227174 ... 18&t=19851

what is the difference with this one?
https://factoriobin.com/post/2blkEgmK

there are better solutions, it came up on discord recently:

Miniloaders: The in-built loaders in factorio now support loading/unloading trains, and are a lighter load on UPS. I suggest using aai loaders, or optera's loader redux as replacement LTN: there is a new train,manager, worth a check: Cybersyn. https://mods.factorio.com/mod/cybersyn To check your bui...

And: pathfinding happens when a train wants to leave its station, not in real time, unless there is a repath condition.

yep:)

Input balanced is per definition input lane balanced, since the lanes can be independently consumed downstream, and you want to consume the input lanes evenly.
And I agree, TU is overkill in most situations.

If there is an "L"in the name, the balancers are input balanced. (Rayquyst's book) On Factorio discord this came up a few days ago, and this one is a 2 lane version input lane balancer. otherwise the rayquyst ones are pretty much the standard. https://discord.com/channels/13967759039371673...

Contemporary writer update, or what recent-ish SF books I found worth reading:

Arkadi Martine (A Memory of Empire)
Yoon Ha Lee (Ninefox Gambit)

Another one that looks at train fuel:
https://mods.factorio.com/mod/Train_Control_Signals

If you remove something, remove it from the debug menu too, maybe?

agreed:) that is why we stopped using EE.

Awesome:) More views/testers more fun reproducible results. I recently found the smurphy post, and missed the stevetrov one. Study time, and I'll repeat your runs this week.

All ups measures are relative. Hardware, OS, configuration, mods, all differ between all players. So it doesn't matter if you use editor extensions or not. it is far more important that all the maps for testing have the same configurations, and the same amount of mod elements, whether it is the EE l...