If you put a pump next to a storage tank it will pull 12,000 in the first second

Here is the first second of your tank to tank transfer, recorded and plotted:
https://i.imgur.com/S4gi16V.png

At no point in the first second does flow rate exceed 6,000/s. Not even for a single tick of it. Due ...

If you put a pump next to a storage tank it will pull 12,000 in the first second - up until its internal fluidbox is > half full. It's max speed *is* 12,000/second. There's nothing wrong with that; the issue is the rest of how fluid flows. The pump can't pump at its max speed because fluid isn't ...

Except that is not how it worked when the pump speed was increased to 12000/s back in 0.15. I’ve detailed this above, even rolling back to confirm that I wasn’t crazy :).


I know, I'm not describing how it worked in 0.15. I'm describing how it works now. The entire fluid logic system was ...

Write it as 6000+/s ? :D


Due to the current behavior, it is exactly 6000/s. The input fluid box can’t get more than half of its volume from its connection on a single tick (this behaved differently on 0.15, where the pump fluid box could draw from its connection to completely fill on each tick ...

Except they've already stated that 12kL/s is waaaay too fast and that electric pumps would be nerfed in the future.


And that’s fine too. If anything the behavior change in 0.16 was an unintentional nerf, but if the devs are happy with that result then the rating should reflect the actual ...

As far as I understand it the "max flow" is correct. Just that's: from source into pump. Then the standard flow logic says "max half of me flows into you" and so you get capped at half the flow rate of the pump for the exiting fluid.


Except that is not how it worked when the pump speed was ...

Rseding91 wrote: Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:35 am so I'm in favor of just not showing it.

Please leave the indication present. It is welcome and accurate (minus the part where max flow is half of expected).

I reverted to 0.15.18 and confirmed that a single pump could supply power generation exceeding 1GW (~12000/s).
I reverted to 0.17.2 and confirmed that a single pump could supply power generation of only 582MW (6001/s).

On 0.15.18, pump fluid = 200 (100%) at max flow.
On 0.17.2, pump fluid = 100 (50 ...

Thanks for the report however that's correct. The number is it's maximum. If it can ever reach that maximum is a completely different thing; since it's now shown in the tooltip people are reading it and generating bug reports like this so I'm in favor of just not showing it.


I am measuring ...

I noted some odd pump flow behavior and created the best-case scenario for max flow (full tank to empty tank):
https://i.imgur.com/hsqPkpc.png

Additional observations:
- Wagon transfers are similar to the above:
-- From wagon>pump>tank, 6000/s steady, similar to what is indicated above.
-- From ...

I just had this happen again on 0.18.2, but no clear link to an act that triggered the issue. I will continue investigating.

Any chance to geat old sounds back beside to downgrade because its not an solution because sooner or later that bad sounds will be part of game. So I hope you will not implement that annoying sounds. Factories, warning sound and especially sond of belts. Anlso the inserters sound was better ...

Nonetheless, in order to avoid problems, I added an overwrite confirmation in a few situations

if the selected save is saved in a newer version than what you are about to save
if the selected save has more playtime on it than what you are about to save

If the selected save has more than 5 ...

Thanks for the report however it sounds like you've just stuck yourself in fullscreen mode?

If you don't want that, go into settings -> graphics -> un-check "Fullscreen". and click "Confirm". Then it will start windowed.


No sir, full screen is unchecked in my configuration, but Factorio was ...

Yeah, I'm with ya, and it's likely low priority, but I'd hope it gets addressed eventually, and the track record so far isn't looking great. Bug or not, major or minor, a reported issue going multiple years seems a bit on the extreme side of things

Starting with 18.0, the game no longer appears to remember its windowed size between sessions. Factorio now always starts with the window expanded to fill the entire screen (maximized window with a border, not full screen). If the user then tries to resize the window during launch, they are still ...

I see no mention of fluid dynamics. So has that redesign been axed officially?


Right now it isn't included in our plans for 1.0.

Things in this regard could change, especially if things go smoothly and one of the team has some spare time.


I made a mod that helps with higher volume flow ...

It’s something significant enough to lead the user me to overwrite the ‘wrong’ save, without so much as a confirmation while doing so.

corrected. Please don't imply that I have the same experience as you. However, I do think that there should be some confirmation logic. I personally don't ...

Noticed you used the word likely . So like me, you too don't know the complexities involved.


Yes, 'likely', as in give or take a few lines of code. I'm not looking at the Factorio source so I couldn't give an exact number of lines needed. Either way, it's a simple tweak to resolve an issue that ...

Bad design is not a bug, it's just bad design. There's not much for us to do, we who think that the savegame management system is suboptimal, except hope that enough people give sensible arguments and suggestions in this thread to convince the devs :
1) They should do something about it
2) Help ...