I saw weird things during benchmarking...

FOUND IT: Region Cloner is not a straightforward tool, it duplicated the bacons! See the screenshot, the "glow". Re-running my becnhmarks now w/the corrected test base using "Clear paste area"

Updated my original v6 post , just minor changes: v6.36 I plan to measure on the weekend the UPS impact of - if any: - shared vs. separate circuit - inserter timing (simple: all plate inserters swing the same time vs. timed+offset: to put plates to the right place like in v6) - if moving arond the u...

Would be nice to publish the savegames to replicate the measurements easily. I really want to re-run the benchmarks. Unfortunately the 3rd one UPS-wise (my BP) is the same as the 2nd just a little worse :D - came up with that w/o seeing the 2nd... I beleive if I time the inserters it will outperform...

This is really cool! Created a quick chart w/UPS (higher is better).

Suggestions:
- increase the # of belts (100? 500?)
- CSV output would be better for quick charts

Agree, I would expect prod modules in the furnaces to perform better than speed. But I would love to be proven wrong about this. Edit: I just calculated the effect of the modules, did not do any benchmarks Actually, in high beacon setups 1-1 is the best, but the difference is really small. And the ...

I've optmized further the di layout: timed the steel (848) and iron (206) inserters, removed a row of electric poles and cleaned up the output belt. Next step is to measure the different versions above, and play a bit more... hope I can do that the next weekend! I'd like to understand the impact of:...

Not yet, but will if I can make it work. Maybe a timer for the direct insertion inserters would make sense as well?

causa-sui wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:54 am

Did some benchmarks vs Nilaus' masterclass BPs.

This is very cool, thank you. Looks v6 is the most UPS optimized solution for smelting then!

Edit: The signals are inconsistent between the rows in the last version posted. Here's what I suggest: Yep, my bad. Fixed in my orignal post, thank you for pointing out! Edit 3: This is strictly of aesthetic significance, but what's the reason for moving the gap between beacons on the leftmost cell...

Bilka wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 14, 2022 7:06 pm

the order of the effects on the wiki should be alphabetical

Did not know that, ty for the info.

- less beacons! (320) 290 beacon also works, as the iron smelters are OK with 8 beacons - see calc . They will be almost 100% on so a bit worse for UPS though. Update: v4.03: Cleaned up version (to my taste), no splitter 0eNrdfV1vXNdy5V8hOECeWr77+0OYmwBJHvIymcEkgwmQGAYttX0bkUiiSTrXudB/n7O7W+IRuw5Vt...

Very useful to see the scripts and tools to used, thanks for both of you causa-sui & disentius. This is a very clear situation, 340 UPS vs 200 UPS, that's a huge diff! I was expecting like 20% not 150% (and to the other direction of course :shock:) Direction insertion is the most UPS optimized ,...

Put the components to a table for easier comparison. Is there any way to measure the # of swings of an inserter? Maybe better for me if not

Woah, very cool, inspiring setups, thank you! I've dropped iron direct insertion for the same reasons as you guys mentioned: focusing on 12 beacon 40+45 setup. Not sure which is better for UPS, I think this is now crying for a UPS measurement. I was able to optimize the inserter timings - 169 insert...

You can use a constant combinator instead of an arithmetic combinator to add one to the clock (I am not sure whether that counts as a game-changer): It does: If it makes it simpler then its better, updated! Also used this for my timed steel monster .. I think that you have to add an extra tick for ...

Belter v6.36: It is possible to put the plates at the right place on the belt, no buffering! - Cycle is 144 ticks - Using a counter sign going 0..143 - needs two combinators as 144 is not 2^N - All smelters are overproducing by 0.5% so after a while all will be full - All inserters are always swing...

Edit: if two combinators is OK for you, see the my next post , no buffering and also no 2^32 craziness there.. Well, you're right. I was able to achieve this (inserters not waiting) after _some_ calculations, but delaying the inserters instead of moving them. TL;DR the result: - Cycle time to activ...

I've re-used the ideas here to a steel smelter setup, TY again for all!

See viewtopic.php?f=193&t=101147

Based on the inspiring discussion on a full beacon smelting setup I've created a Iron Ore -> Steel smelter block to produce a full blue belt of steel Update: UPS-wise the winner is direct insertion , clearly. See the BP from disentius there. Due to DI only 10 beacon fits, but the UPS benefit overwri...

Here's a version with only medium electric poles, no substations (but also no lamps, sorry lol) Honestly it looks way better, thank you! I like your lane change mod as well. I've made the following minor changes: - was able to save 2 poles and 2 underground belts at the end - lamps are back of cour...