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by Belter
Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:01 am
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimization - say Substations once more...
Replies: 12
Views: 1047

UPS optimization - say Substations once more...

Subsations vs Poles vs UPS optimization - I was interested what is the real impact of different electricity wiring setups - Using 5x100 lanes of Iron Ore -> Iron Plate setups, 3 x 50.000 ticks for benchmarking Wires-anim-.gif Map-Wireconfigs-.png Results - TL;DR: just use poles - Unless you create ...
by Belter
Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:24 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17914

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

Belter v6.78p - After fixing the timer I've re-organized my BP - signal compression is from DaveMcW - Finally beats DaveMcW v2 - +3.71% UPS. Not much, but consistent - No further ideas to improve UPS. Time to move to steel finally? 0eNrVndtuG8kRhl8lYG4pbx+qT0YWAZK8QS4Tw5ClsU1EIgkenHUMvXu6Od4VRdVQXX...
by Belter
Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:40 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17914

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

Mind the gap - the challenge! There is a clear explanation why the mini-gaps appearing. Can you find it out? I give hints - the last one is the solution. If you liked this challenge reply here your hint level 0..4. So: - top row has mini gaps - bottom row has no mini gaps Why is that? 0eNrlXU2P2zgS...
by Belter
Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:01 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17914

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

I recreated your test, with the following modifications:[...] Looks like substations are the better solution, marginally:) I really appreciate this, thank you! Your points are all valid and I will pay more attention for those in the future. Per the Avg UPS numbers Dave's BP is 1% faster than the po...
by Belter
Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:23 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17914

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

This BP has space for substations, which is almost never the case for high beacon setups. I'm sure I'll be slaughtered but... ..I added substatoins and measured the difference. 9000 poles vs 2000 substations.+0.8% UPS. Result is consistent at least for me. No idea why entity updates went up. poles-s...
by Belter
Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:53 am
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17914

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

Actually I did not know why the circuits are in sync... and they are, obviously. I use 5 circuits for my 500 lane tests for the 5x100 blocks. To test I deynced one by replacing it again the combinators using copy & paste: Desync.png First idea was power cut / save/load game but the state remaine...
by Belter
Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:35 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17914

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

It may also reveal some limits to the UPS optimization. Maybe the most efficient design in terms of raw UPS is not the most fluid in game due to having some higher varation in update times in between different frames. I think we're at the limits of measurements, yes, even w/500 lanes. But thinking ...
by Belter
Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:18 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17914

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

disentius wrote:
Sun Feb 06, 2022 9:19 pm
Nice work, Belter!
You forgot to post the saves with your post, though:)
Thank you. Saves are lurking in the attachments, check it, its there just hard to find.
by Belter
Sun Feb 06, 2022 8:25 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17914

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

Belter v6.75 w/signal compression - I thought it will be easy to apply the signal compression on my original layout. It was not. My initial attempts failed miserably and got no UPS gain - finally I moved things around and got the same UPS, w/a tiny bit better layout. Maybe... :D 0eNrVXdtu40YS/RVB+y...
by Belter
Sun Feb 06, 2022 1:03 am
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17914

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

Signal compression? Another try at signal compression. So the reason DaveMcW v2 BP is faster than v6.38 as it puts only 5 (0,1,2,3,4) values to the circuit network instead of 144 (0..143) during the 144 cycle. It is visible in the time chart circuit times went down here: gave 2..4% UPS benefit whic...
by Belter
Sat Feb 05, 2022 10:31 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17914

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

Got similar results w/500 lanes, though smaller diff. DaveMcW v2 still rocks!

See the attachments for the 500 lanes saves (just copied 4x to East)

Note: my intention is not to test until I got the results I like :)
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by Belter
Sat Feb 05, 2022 9:21 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17914

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

I've also run the same tests on my windows potato computer, way different.

UPS and times [ms] are averages, 3 x 10000 ticks.

I'll re-run with 500 belts to get more accuracy.

PS: half FPS? come on..
by Belter
Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:56 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized Ore->Red Science 2700 spm
Replies: 6
Views: 1043

Re: UPS optimized Ore->Red Science 2700 spm

BelterDI v1.0.1 The electric network time increase bothered me, so I've optimized the poles. It got +0%..2% UPS depending on the measurement, but not at the electricity time, but rather at entity update and transport lines?? This is beyond me / margin of error. 0eNq9XV1vXDmO/SuG99VOS5SojwCDAQbzsm+L...
by Belter
Sat Feb 05, 2022 5:21 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized Ore->Red Science 2700 spm
Replies: 6
Views: 1043

Re: UPS optimized Ore->Red Science 2700 spm

mmmPI wrote:
Sat Feb 05, 2022 5:08 pm
nice educative post :)
TY - I've learned from the best you know it!
by Belter
Sat Feb 05, 2022 5:14 pm
Forum: This Forum
Topic: Technical/UPS optimization subforum please
Replies: 5
Views: 762

Technical/UPS optimization subforum please

Dear moderators,

Please considr having a sub forum for advanced technics and UPS optimizaiton, regardless of circuit / bot / belt.

Like to be there, be able to attach screenshots/saves here... See for example https://www.reddit.com/r/technicalfactorio/
by Belter
Sat Feb 05, 2022 4:56 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized Ore->Red Science 2700 spm
Replies: 6
Views: 1043

UPS optimized Ore->Red Science 2700 spm

Intro - Let direct insertion fight with the full beacon setup - I did some to work on the simplest science pack sub-base: Red Science / Automation - the UPS impact is almost zero on a megabase (smallest science pack), but for a UPS opt exercise & to move to the bigger packs was a big fun - I sh...
by Belter
Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:39 am
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17914

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

What would happen if you removed the furnace at the end of the belt from the circuit network? In theory this should give you 10% flexibility on consumption and 20% less circuit overhead. Assuming it doesn't break horribly. I've played with it a bit and you're right in the manner of changes in consu...
by Belter
Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:07 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17914

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

Intro - testing smelting BP for comparison - I took some BP from this thread and did an inital benchmark belterv0-8B-lame - added a lame, 8 beacon setup just to see how bad it is 0eNqtXF1P40gQ/C9+dlYez2fzuH/jhE6B+DjrEidynNUixH+/MWhxVmvHXd15QBCCutztrh6nppi34ml/aU592w3Fw1vRPh+7c/Hw11txbl+67X783fB6aoq...
by Belter
Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:23 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17914

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

Unfortunately perfect timing requires 100% belt consumption, which implies that something downstream is starving for plates. This might offset your UPS gains. You're right, UPS optimization is a complex topic and must be done in context. My goal was to understand if/how much sense it make to use of...
by Belter
Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:09 pm
Forum: Combinator Creations
Topic: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits
Replies: 179
Views: 17914

Re: UPS optimized 12-beacon smelting - w/minimal circuits

Intro - testing variants - Finally had some time to benchmark myself. - I’ve focused on the variations of my Smelter v6.36 BP shared in this thread. - Please note that this is an extreme, focused test prducing 500 full lanes of iron plates to see the UPS impact of some changes. Reference BP: 157.5 ...

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