Also just came up with a method that packs in 19 mines, 15 provider chests, 1 substation, 5 empty spaces , which is only 88% efficient, so not as good as the method I mentioned above. I'll screenshot both soon.

I'll make a screenshot later when I can play, but on paper I can come up with a packing method that uses 3 miners, 2 provider chests, 1 power pole. So that's 27 squares of miner and 3 'wasted' squares, for a 90% efficiency. M=miner (\-/ is the exit side) C=chest P=power +-+|M|+-+|M| |M|+-+|M|+-+ \-/...

A few folks are working on making item recipe graphs:

http://i.imgur.com/GNmLseZ.png

http://i.imgur.com/jr7uwni.jpg

https://github.com/bluecube/factorio-lua-tools

I'll probably take a crack at making a tech tree/graph tool soon, based on the same code.

Noro wrote:Isn't it about time

No, it isn't. The developers have priorities and plans. I don't expect to see cosmetic changes any time soon.

To produce the same view as the 2d sprites, the 3d models would need *at least* as much texture information as the 2d sprite already has (more likely at least 3x as much, and more realistically 5-10x as much). Animations. They don't need a full copy of the texture information per frame . I overlook...

But now that most graphics are 3D models, it's a major waste of space to use them as pre-rendered 2D sprites - with no mods installed in 0.8.8, the texture atlases are over 370 MB uncompressed. That's insane. Every computer with 370 MB of video memory (i.e. every computer that is not really old) sh...

immibis wrote:Inserters can remove from the input or fuel slots if there are no output slots. This applies to burner mining drills, for example.

Really? I'll have to test this. So you can use an inserter to remove fuel from a burner mining drill?

My take on this mod also has an 0.5x speed button, for fighting biters in slow motion. You might add that?

I would love to have this, especially if it provides a way to find out where specific items are stored in the network.

I can't play in high graphics (mac bug) so I didn't know they should look different. I can confirm this bug in low graphics mode.

Are you referring to the night vision and exoskeleton icons being smaller than they should be? The inventory looks the same for me. I never used modular/power armor before 0.9, so I don't know if it should look different.

Are you playing in low graphics mode? I am.

Right now there is a threshold where inserters stop inserting into a building. For assemblers it seems to be double the requirements for the recipe in the assembler. For a boiler it's some static number of items or amount of fuel? My first idea would be to allow an inserter to grab ingredients/fuel ...

Providing even amounts of coal and iron ore is inefficient, as is having twice as much capacity for iron plate output as for iron ore input.

However, it would be very difficult to make better ratios in such a small base (I will try!), so good work overall.

inserters can only remove items from the output slot of a building, never from the fuel or input slots. this applies to boilers, assemblers, chemical plants, etc.

I like this idea, especially with it producing something useful.

You might also consider basing it on the chemical plant and having it require water as an input.

crafting is definitely a network

To maximize mining speed you want to maximize miner density. Zig-zag belts waste space (and are slower!), and so do power lines. In your example, for every 36 squares of miner there are 7 squares of conveyor and 1 square of power, so you've covered 82% of the ground with miners. Here's a layout that...

ray4ever wrote:- The ideal ratio is 1 water pump, 14 boilers and 9 steam engines (see power row)

You don't seem to have connected all of the steam engines together here.

I would love to see an N-way splitter and/or a smart splitter.

How do you physically put 2 gears in the same location? If it does but staggers them then it will push other gears around and become a chaotic mess. Coding for that seems like a mess. Two gear entities would never exist in the same location. They would be 0.28 units apart on the belt, as usual. Aft...