I suppose it's a tradeoff between biters not being able to go around lakes and saves becoming massive.

I tipped the balance back in favour of biters not pathfinding, which should make your saves smaller.

If anyone of you gets this hang again, could you attach GDB to the saving process (the one whose PID is in the log) and run `thread apply all bt` and post the output here?

Thanks, will be fixed in 0.17.60.

Did this happen once or did it happen multiple times? Is there any way it could be reproduced?

Works for me. Is this still an issue in current releases or is it just that one particular release? Do you have config-path.cfg in $DIR?

You are right that there is a chokepoint that they struggle with, which should be fixed in the next release.

The other part was the topology of the map – they struggled to pathfind around the lakes. Which should be fixed in 0.17.59.

But have you seen They are billion? imagine BILLIONS of biters They Are Billions doesn't have multiplayer. And it doesn't have to simulate an entire factory in addition to simulating units. So yes, imagine billions of biters – but also imagine no belts, no inserters, no assemblers, no trains, no bo...

BlueTemplar wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:54 pm

I guess that they... don't ?

And neither do we.

BlueTemplar wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:54 pm

while there are hints that AotS might have done something about the parallelization... but I don't have much more information than what I already gave here, sorry...

Yeah, that blog post you linked doesn't go into much detail at all.

BlueTemplar wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:33 pm

But surely this is the case for the gameplay portion of all(?) RTS games? (Considering how they all(?) seem to be plagued by desync issues from time to time...)

So how do they solve it?

I was wondering, Ashes of the Singularity seems(?) to have managed to parallelize its AI (including pathfinding??) : A long rambling series on Ashes of the Singularity (Scroll down to "Something new" - that "META unit" sounds a lot like Biter groups though?) Why threading matter...

Thanks, fixed in 0.17.59.

Also maybe check that game is connectable from the ping-pong server and fail loudly if the port is actually not reachable? It sucks to have users report after 2-3 hours that they can't enter a server and 80% just thought "oh well, I'm gonna go elsewhere". But it is reachable. The pingpong...

There are about 900 pathfinding requests currently going on in that save. I can see one attack group with 700 members, most of which are still trying to reach the group, making up a large portion of the pathfinding requests. In other words, this is ridiculous. You need to contact the scenario autho...

One of the Gridlock members sent me a packet trace and it showed the pingpong packets being resent with a different source port.

To me this sounds very much like misconfigured networking on the server side.

There are about 900 pathfinding requests currently going on in that save. I can see one attack group with 700 members, most of which are still trying to reach the group, making up a large portion of the pathfinding requests. In other words, this is ridiculous. You need to contact the scenario author...

Thanks, fixed in 0.17.59. It will take a few minutes for the clog to clear up after loading the save, but they should get going again.

From clusterio team member's conversations with Oxyd, it seems that this is due to having to synchronise with clients. Is there a way to allow us to run rcon commands that do not interact with clients outside of this restriction? No, there is obviously not as the command affects the gameplay. Fragm...

Well I added retransmission logic for those messages, so that should hopefully fix that.

This looks like this bug which will be fixed in 0.17.57.

grilledham wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:35 pm

The last two logs I uploaded use non-asynchronous or blocking saving. Is the problem likely fixed for blocking saving too?

Yes.