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Expand LuaEntity(Prototype) to view Mod Interactions as a Read Only Variable
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:41 pm
by AlienX
Hi,
For a project i have in my head, I would find it really useful if modders could grab the data of what mods have touched what items, and in what order during game play.
For example, if you wanted to make a whitelist/blacklist mod, which disables placement of a certain mods buildings depending on certain critera during control.lua scripts, this would make it much easier.
Take this from the tooltip as an example:
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Perhaps something like:
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entity.modInteractions - Table of mod interactions that have modified this entity prototype and in what order
Then you could see via something like:
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game.print(entity.modInteractions[1]) = "Krastorio" for example
You could also expand Item prototypes to do the same thing, again from the data on the tooltip:
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Re: Expand LuaEntity(Prototype) to view Mod Interactions as a Read Only Variable
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:49 pm
by Deadlock989
+10000000.
In a perfect world, this table would be available globally during the data stage as well, so you could tell if another mod has altered a prototype yet, it's not always enough to know that another mod is simply installed, when any third mod you don't know about could be changing loading order by requiring it as a dependency. Possibly as a field in every prototype that's discarded at the end of the data stage? No clue how the yellow mod names data on the tooltip is kept and built up though.
Re: Expand LuaEntity(Prototype) to view Mod Interactions as a Read Only Variable
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:34 pm
by AlienX
Agree with deadlock, any more areas where this data is available to us, the better.
While a long shot, i would love to have this before a stable release.
Re: Expand LuaEntity(Prototype) to view Mod Interactions as a Read Only Variable
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:59 pm
by AlienX
As requested by Rseding91, here is a screenie of our convo for memory purposes.
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Re: Expand LuaEntity(Prototype) to view Mod Interactions as a Read Only Variable
Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:26 am
by Rseding91
What's the use-case in wanting to know if another mod has changed some part of something in the data stage?
With that being said, what's the use-case for having it runtime as well? I read what you posted but it just gives a vague idea and not something that's really convincing at the moment.
What I'm concerned with is a mod or group of mods adding in spiteful code when they detect specific mod(s) have altered parts of their mods and I just don't want to enable people to do that.
Re: Expand LuaEntity(Prototype) to view Mod Interactions as a Read Only Variable
Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:11 am
by Optera
Rseding91 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:26 am
What's the use-case in wanting to know if another mod has changed some part of something in the data stage?
With that being said, what's the use-case for having it runtime as well? I read what you posted but it just gives a vague idea and not something that's really convincing at the moment.
What I'm concerned with is a mod or group of mods adding in spiteful code when they detect specific mod(s) have altered parts of their mods and I just don't want to enable people to do that.
Invalid argument, you can already do that easily in data stage with
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if mods["mod-i-dislike"] then
--mess with it
end
I like to think our Factorio modding community is above such pettiness.
Having a read only string or better array containing all mods having touched a prototype in order, could slim down compatibility codes.
For example if you have a mod that needs to behave differently depending on options in 2 or more mods, say boblogistics and ir, the possible variants of prototypes touched by both grows rapidly.
Instead of combing through the settings of previous mods and checking if a setting would result in a change you need to overwrite, you could directly look at the prototype to see if it got changed.
Re: Expand LuaEntity(Prototype) to view Mod Interactions as a Read Only Variable
Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:39 am
by Klonan
Optera wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:11 am
Invalid argument, you can already do that easily in data stage with
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if mods["mod-i-dislike"] then
--mess with it
end
That is different slightly, you only know the mod exists, not that it has been messing with your items.
I can easily see someone blanket doing:
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local item = data.raw.item["klonans-cool-item"]
if item.mod_interactions > 1 then
error("Some other mod has adjusted my item, please remove this mod and try to load again")
end
Re: Expand LuaEntity(Prototype) to view Mod Interactions as a Read Only Variable
Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:30 am
by Optera
Klonan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:39 am
Optera wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:11 am
Invalid argument, you can already do that easily in data stage with
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if mods["mod-i-dislike"] then
--mess with it
end
That is different slightly, you only know the mod exists, not that it has been messing with your items.
I can easily see someone blanket doing:
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local item = data.raw.item["klonans-cool-item"]
if item.mod_interactions > 1 then
error("Some other mod has adjusted my item, please remove this mod and try to load again")
end
In some modding communities this might be a valid point, but so far Factorios modding community is friendly and respectful.
I've talked to a few new mod authors engaging in final-fixes wars with my mods and in the end they always realized it was bad practice and took my advice on how to write compatible mods.
If Wube officially recognizes toxicity in the community by rejecting feature requests for the sole reason of it being abused. This will plant the idea of our community being toxic in our heads leaving a bad undertone to every constructive criticism and we really will need to have that kind of moderation like a self fullfilling prophecy.
So lets not go down that path and instead focus on how we can use it to improve Factorio and its mods.
Re: Expand LuaEntity(Prototype) to view Mod Interactions as a Read Only Variable
Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:04 pm
by Deadlock989
I would purely use this as a debugging tool. It is not a "must have", it would be a "nice to have".
For example, my current big mod is enforcing a strict recipe unlocking order in the tech tree hierarchy. Because any individual mod has very limited control over the loading order of other mods, it is impossible to cover all situations of all 4000-odd mods on the portal that may or may not change unlocks/prerequirements either before or after my mod does. It would be extremely useful to know exactly which mod has changed a technology prototype at the moment any problem is detected, instead of having to figure it out by deduction. That information would be useful for me when I want to provide explicit built-in support for other mods, and it would be useful for other modders who want their mods to be compatible with mine.
I can think of several other uses, none as immediately useful as the one above, but all of them also being about getting debugging information rather than triggers for any kind of action.
Re: Expand LuaEntity(Prototype) to view Mod Interactions as a Read Only Variable
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:39 am
by eradicator
Klonan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:39 am
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local item = data.raw.item["klonans-cool-item"]
if item.mod_interactions > 1 then
error("Some other mod has adjusted my item, please remove this mod and try to load again")
end
Being a pessimist i actually share the "every herd has some black sheep" sentiment. I've seen SpaceExploration actually do this with any mod that doesn't share the authors "vision" of "proper balance" (based on a hardcoded list of names in addition to "!" dependencies). But i'm also a pessimist towards user behavior, and think that most users just see the error window as a "buch of tech babble" and not actually read what's written there past the name of the mod (if that far). So any mod author would hopefully just be killing their own mod if they did this.
Re: Expand LuaEntity(Prototype) to view Mod Interactions as a Read Only Variable
Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:22 pm
by eradicator
Edge-casey usecases:
1 ) In a large mod pack it's difficult to automatically match "groups" of entities. I.e. automatically finding the matching underground belt from a straight belt if several mods add belts tiers of the same speed. Access to the mod interactions would allow me to make a better guess regarding the "owning" mod of an item, because it would be the first entry in the list.
2) In mod guis it would allow showing recipes sorted by the mod that created them. (Again, nice for large modpacks).
Admittedly for both these cases the first entry of the mod interactions would be sufficient.
Re: Expand LuaEntity(Prototype) to view Mod Interactions as a Read Only Variable
Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2023 10:12 am
by Bilka
This information was added some time ago. It is visible in the prototype explorer (open with CTRL + SHIFT + E or CTRL + SHIFT + F) and via a runtime method:
https://lua-api.factorio.com/latest/cla ... pe_history.